Longlivekeano
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Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Comparing Onana in his supposed to Prime to a guy at the end of his career, yeah that's a great metric.
Onana this season far better than De Gea's last season in every aspect.
Onana was going to transform our play. That part I didnt really understand.... and I guess I was right to a certain extent. How can a GK transform how a team play when the midfield is crap at controlling matches.It just amazes me when posters talk up players like Onana and Antony and how they will transform our team and then they scatter like cockroaches when they actually come to the club and reality bites.
What was the percentage of posters that wanted Erik in as he was a tactical genius and now when he is getting hammered the same happens again.
Like Mike Tyson said...everyone has a plan and then they get hit
If you ask really nicely I reckon we'd part with Kepa for that amountWho are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
What's the source, looks like you've just picked some random stats.
Onana this season far better than De Gea's last season in every aspect.
Most clubs would sell their goalkeeper for that price, the exception being very wealthy clubs with a genuine world class one.If you ask really nicely I reckon we'd part with Kepa for that amount
Well when half the posters in the thread are claiming we should have kept De Gea then people are going to push back.Comparing Onana in his supposed to Prime to a guy at the end of his career, yeah that's a great metric.
To be fair it isn't like he's had ball playing defenders in front of him this season. A fully fit back 4 with Martinez and Luke Shaw (a pipe-dream at this point) would make a huge difference to any team playing out from the back.Even then, their passing is so similar.
Ederson is the worst example to use, because City are an unnatural club, and we don't fit that style. Even under SAF we've played exciting, open football. You should look at Alisson's numbers instead, because he is the profile of keeper we should be going for, while still being able to play from the back.Ederson, for example is usually considered a good keeper but if you look at his stats, they're surprisingly bad, he's mid-table in the PL for the past three seasons or so. Previously he'd been in the top 5/6. While being excellent with his feet and aiding Man City's style of play, he doesn't seem to make massive howlers but he's not a great shot-stopper and Man City give up so few chances nobody really notices.
I don’t think United would be in the market. Onana will be given another year I thinkWho are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Yeah you're probably right there. City are a bit of special case.Ederson is the worst example to use, because City are an unnatural club, and we don't fit that style. Even under SAF we've played exciting, open football. You should look at Alisson's numbers instead, because he is the profile of keeper we should be going for, while still being able to play from the back.
Oh I know; I'm being irritating and facetious.Most clubs would sell their goalkeeper for that price, the exception being very wealthy clubs with a genuine world class one.
For 40m-50m I wouldn't be surprised if Lunin is available, the other one that come to mind is Bulka he plays for Nice but was at Chelsea's academy. Even someone like Kovar could return to United for that kind of price.
So I recall arguing this point at the time that our inability to play out from the back was only partly DeGea’s fault and more to do with our defenders and our midfield. Now Onana is finding the same issue which is why personally I’m kind of reserving judgment on him till we actually get in people in defence and midfield to make use of his abilities.De Gea needed to go and we needed to upgrade the keeper.
Honest answer guys; if you were to get rid one of Onana or Mount for the same price we bought them last summer who goes?
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .
I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
I'd play Obama, can't be any worse than Onana, and he was decent in the White House garden apparently!Honest answer guys; if you were to get rid one of Onana or Mount for the same price we bought them last summer who goes?
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .
I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
Mads Hermansen at LeicesterWho are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
I take issue with the notion that taking advantage of Onana's footwork would make a meaningful difference in the quality of our chance creation, chance conversion and defensive strength. Early in the season, when we were creating chances, we were poor at chance conversion, but our poor chance conversation had nothing to do with playing out of the back. As the season progressed we continue to be poor at chance conversion but our chance creation deteriorated. Then as the season hhas approached its miserable end our defending deteriorated to the point where a club like Palace stuffed four goals down our throats. None of those deficiencies had anything to do with playing well or poorly out of the back starting with brilliant keeper footwork. There was never going to be a "transformation" of the performance of the outfield players due to the brilliance of the keeper's footwork.So I recall arguing this point at the time that our inability to play out from the back was only partly DeGea’s fault and more to do with our defenders and our midfield. Now Onana is finding the same issue which is why personally I’m kind of reserving judgment on him till we actually get in people in defence and midfield to make use of his abilities.
He isn’t as good of a shot stopper as DeGea but he is more assured with his feet, we just don’t have the players to take advantage of it. Hopefully we get them in soon so we can actually see why so many wanted him.
Still needs to tighten up his actual goalkeeping ability mind as some of it has been terrible. But it was to be expected with him. It’s just we sacrificed shot stopping for his passing and we just don’t have the squad to take advantage of his passing so kind of a waste at the moment.
If ETH gets sacked & Southgate gets hired then you can bet your bottom dollar that Pickford would be number 1 on his summer signing list & Maguire will play in every game (unless injured or suspended) regardless of how awful he plays.I don’t think United would be in the market. Onana will be given another year I think
But Ramsdale and Pickford would likely be linked
Henderson at Palace looks good tooIf ETH gets sacked & Southgate gets hired then you can bet your bottom dollar that Pickford would be number 1 on his summer signing list & Maguire will play in every game (unless injured or suspended) regardless of how awful he plays.
We didn't have the money for a GK last year also, and we were is safer hands. Onana needs replacing if we are to have anything close to a successful season next year.He's not been a shining success but we just don't have the money to change goalkeepers with much more pressing problems like central midfield, left back and CF that need fixing, plus we'd take an absolute PSR kicking on moving him. He's our first choice keeper next year by default.
Eh?We didn't have the money for a GK last year also, and we were is safer hands. Onana needs replacing if we are to have anything close to a successful season next year.
You're almost there.It'll be interesting to see how his footwork and distribution is when he actually has players to distribute too instead of Rashford who is too lazy to run and Hojlund who is always in the wrong place.
Money that would have been better spent elsewhere I think he's trying to sayEh?
We spent 43m on a keeper last year
My point exactly, we shouldn’t have done that. Onana has been a disaster and much more error prone than DDG, we can’t persist with him at goal.Eh?
We spent 43m on a keeper last year
You could probably get Lunin from us.Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Try to negotiate a fee in that region for Mamardashvili.Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Ddg would be one.Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Going into this summer with a mindset that we should be looking to spend 45 million on a new GK one year after spending 45 million on a new GK might be legitimately insane.Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
Keylor Navas on a freeWho are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
This is the exact direction we should be going in if we're considering signing another keeper. Only free/extremely low cost transfers right now.Keylor Navas on a free
Astute observation, they are similar and probably Onana would do great for Man City. And Ederson would be wrecked with us.Ederson, for example is usually considered a good keeper but if you look at his stats, they're surprisingly bad, he's mid-table in the PL for the past three seasons or so. Previously he'd been in the top 5/6. While being excellent with his feet and aiding Man City's style of play, he doesn't seem to make massive howlers but he's not a great shot-stopper and Man City give up so few chances nobody really notices.
I'd be for that signing.Keylor Navas on a free