OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs

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There is no blame whatsoever on the club for the fact that it was left behind. That is completely on the security company that was doing it.

Now, if was in a fairly obvious place, then there is some blame on the club that it wasn't found in the four days leading up to the match. That's not good enough. However if it was well hidden then even that doesn't come back on us. Albeit, the random member of the public finding it indicates it was fairly easy to spot, but you never know.
 

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There is no blame whatsoever on the club for the fact that it was left behind. That is completely on the security company that was doing it.

Now, if was in a fairly obvious place, then there is some blame on the club that it wasn't found in the four days leading up to the match. That's not good enough. However if it was well hidden then even that doesn't come back on us. Albeit, the random member of the public finding it indicates it was fairly easy to spot, but you never know.

Yeah waiting to find out where exactly it was hidden (if they will let that info out) and how it was found.
 

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Have schedules changed in recent years? It used to be that the team/teams would arrive 3 hours before kick off
Not sure how far before the game teams are supposed to arrive. I remember reading the Guardians MBM that either for the Spurs game or the West Ham game the home side was also late arriving, but still got there before the game was scheduled to start and it was not 3 hours before the game was supposed to start either.
 

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Couldn't have been that well hidden considering someone spotted it just before the game.
Possibly or possibly it was a bit of luck they spotted it. How many other people used that bathroom that day without noticing it? Was the person who found it the first person in the rest room that day? IT is very possible it was sitting out in the open and others just really did not pay attention. It could also have been a bit of luck that someone spotted it at all. If it was too obvious then it sort of defeats the idea of the exercise. But at this point we really have no idea.
 

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Possibly or possibly it was a bit of luck they spotted it. How many other people used that bathroom that day without noticing it? Was the person who found it the first person in the rest room that day? IT is very possible it was sitting out in the open and others just really did not pay attention. It could also have been a bit of luck that someone spotted it at all. If it was too obvious then it sort of defeats the idea of the exercise. But at this point we really have no idea.
The fact they left it there defeats the exercise in and of itself, considering it led to a real live situation at a time people are vulnerable to suggestion.
 

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Yep. Not the club's fault that they allowed a life like bomb to sit in one of their toilets, at their own ground, for 4 days, unchecked, with no one spotting the fecker. Not even on the morning of the match, when every single area of the ground is checked.

If someone visits your house and does a shit in your toilet and doesn't flush it and you let it sit there for 4 days, unchecked and unflushed, whose fault is that?!
So you're telling me that you'd blame yourself and not the person who shat and didn't flush?
 

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There is no blame whatsoever on the club for the fact that it was left behind. That is completely on the security company that was doing it.

Now, if was in a fairly obvious place, then there is some blame on the club that it wasn't found in the four days leading up to the match. That's not good enough. However if it was well hidden then even that doesn't come back on us. Albeit, the random member of the public finding it indicates it was fairly easy to spot, but you never know.
I'm sorry, I can't agree with that.

The club should have known where any fake devices were placed, give the security guys a map, mark with an X where they will be. Then it would be that persons job to double check that they had been removed - why leave these things to chance?

The club have to take some responsibility that somewhere down the line they fecked up.
 

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Have schedules changed in recent years? It used to be that the team/teams would arrive 3 hours before kick off
Around 90 minutes. For the Spurs game the police redirected us to a road with a low bridge which caused the hold up. For both the Spurs and West Ham games we weren't even that far away, just external circumstances made us late. You'd think the police in London would have had a good idea that the road they directed us towards had a low bridge on.
 

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Around 90 minutes. For the Spurs game the police redirected us to a road with a low bridge which caused the hold up. For both the Spurs and West Ham games we weren't even that far away, just external circumstances made us late. You'd think the police in London would have had a good idea that the road they directed us towards had a low bridge on.
Nah the club should ignore what the police tell them do. Feck the police, we are Manchester United!
 

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Ultimate responsibility lies with us I'm afraid, they're an outside agency that we hired to train our staff, it's our responsibility to ensure we've made the place safe for the public again following the operation that we organised.

I know they get it from all angles but for once it's our London based fans along with the Irish daytrippers and Asian tourists that I really feel sorry for.
 

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We're going to win 19-0 tomorrow due to a "suspect package" being delivered to the Bournemouth dressing room shortly before kick off.
 

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Well leaving it there was pretty dumb by the company who did it, that we can all agree on.
It's dumb if they left it there by mistake sure. I don't believe in giving people an easy way out and IF is the key word. It needs a proper investigation. Will we get one? Probably not.
 

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:lol:

I know its not funny, as it could have been real, but i could just imagine the guy who found it, sitting down to take a shit, seeing a bomb staring back at him.
feck. That would be a really scary moment. I'd love for whoever found it to come forward, although some chancer will probably come out lying.
 

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Doesn't do the club any favours with regard to the questions of how we're being run from top to bottom.
 

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feck. That would be a really scary moment. I'd love for whoever found it to come forward, although some chancer will probably come out lying.
He'll prob sue us for emotional trauma, and his solicitor will give evidence that "he's afraid to go into a toilet anymore", prob get £60,000 compensation in this age we live in.
 
Device not contained any explosives, was marked as having been recovered

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Executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward said: “The safety of the fans is our number one aim at every event we host at Old Trafford. Overall, I'm proud of how our staff responded.

The facts are:

• On the discovery of a suspect package, the police and the club worked quickly and closely to identify the threat, make people safe and evacuate the ground calmly and efficiently.
• Fans of both clubs behaved impeccably and the evacuation – the first of its type in the UK – was a complete success.
• Following investigation, the device proved to have been left in error following the training of dog handlers by a sub contractor.
• The contractor had signed the device as having been recovered along with the 13 other devices at the end of the exercise.
• That device could not have been detected by sniffer dogs on the routine matchday search of the 100 Club, as it contained no explosives and was used in an exercise training handlers not dogs.

“Once a live situation was identified, the club and police had no option but to treat the matter as a potential terror threat; we could not have assumed it was a training exercise error. Presented with the same situation in the future, we would take the same action.

“We have worked very closely with the police and counter terrorism specialists for many years now and enjoy their support on a daily basis.

“For tomorrow’s (Tuesday) rearranged match against Bournemouth, we are working closely with Greater Manchester Police to ensure that robust security measures continue to be of the highest priority.

“We are conducting a detailed evaluation with the help of the police and will share our findings across the rest of the game. Valuable lessons will have been learned from yesterday’s events and it is important that those are shared with other stadium operators to ensure that the safety of the public remains the first duty of us all.”

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
 

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Doesn't do the club any favours with regard to the questions of how we're being run from top to bottom.
It does actually.

Edit: Some baffling comments on here and on Twitter regarding the whole situation. I did not expect that at all, to be honest.
 

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So they have just essentially paid out around £3m in compensation to ticket holders out of the goodness of their hearts then?
Why is that so unbelievable? I don't know why some are so convinced that the club is run by some evil men that don't care about the relationship with the fans.
 

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• The contractor had signed the device as having been recovered along with the 13 other devices at the end of the exercise.
• That device could not have been detected by sniffer dogs on the routine matchday search of the 100 Club, as it contained no explosives and was used in an exercise training handlers not dogs.
Okay... it's beginning to make sense now.
 

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This does reek a bit of the De Gea fax machine situation though.

"Not our fault guv, blame the other guy".
 

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So it unequivocally wasn't our fault. Can we all apologise to lovely Ed now?
 

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This does reek a bit of the De Gea fax machine situation though.

"Not our fault guv, blame the other guy".
Facts would indicate that the external company contractor majorly blundered.