There no way Evra did this without just provocation. Evra is human as the rest of us and lost his cool for a second. He's still a legend to me.
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Don't know why are you even talking about racial abuse when there is nothing in that direction so far.
As for this, he is in the wrong, no doubt. He could be verbally abused, but still, this is not the way to answer. It could provoke him, but the fact he is a professional player, role-model, etc, makes it worse.
Still, I'm struggling to judge him since I love the guy so much. Which makes me in the wrong too.
As for this, he is in the wrong, no doubt. He could be verbally abused, but still, this is not the way to answer. It could provoke him, but the fact he is a professional player, role-model, etc, makes it worse.
Still, I'm struggling to judge him since I love the guy so much. Which makes me in the wrong too.
I don't have a position and haven't made any assumptions (how comically hypocritical). All I know is.. hating Suarez for being accused of racism towards one of our players does not compare to people assuming this was racially motivated.
Even if we assume that it was a racist remark, lets say it was the worst thing you could say and involved his mother.
Is it okay for a "professional" footballer who is being paid to do a job, to then escalate things not just by squaring up to a fan, not just by putting his hands on him, not just some light pushing but kicking him in the face? No. There is no defending that.
Because if you defend Evra escalating the situation, then you can defend the fan escalating the situation beyond what Evra did. Whats next, the fan pulls out a knife and stabs him? If its okay for Evra to escalate the situation its okay for someone else. Even if we discount the guy who was kicked, because this argument assumes that he made a terrible comment in the first place, what if its a fan 2 seats next to him that is offended by Evra attacking a fan. Is it okay for him to escalate things and bring out a knife?
Its understandable to get heated IF he was even subject to something horrible such as racism. But the only way to sort it out is to speak to staff and get that person reported and removed/banned from the stadium.
For historical comparison: The Cantona Kick
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Wtf happened?
Don't agree with people saying it's fine to react with violence if it was racial insults.
Was enough people there for him to take it to the police if so. Violence is one thing, but a kick to the head even can end a life. Should be the end of his career for sure.
Was enough people there for him to take it to the police if so. Violence is one thing, but a kick to the head even can end a life. Should be the end of his career for sure.
Whether it's racist abuse, homophobic abuse, sectarian abuse or even just someone saying horrible things about a loved one, grown adults are expected to resist the urge to respond by physically attacking someone. If you instead respond by kicking someone in the head (understandable and satisfying though it may be) you're very clearly in the wrong and have no grounds for complaint when you're rightly punished for it.
Of course it's not ok and Evra will get the just punishment, but in the heat of the moment he did something stupid, something that every person in the world can relate too. We can't set higher standards for footballers than to the rest of us.
There is a problem with fans thinking they can get away with what ever they want as the think they have anonymity of being in large crowds.
So called fans of OM jeering Evra throughout the warm up. Their own player.
So if fans pay, then they have all the right to boo and jeer their own players, no questions asked?
What he did was wrong and he knows it. Whether or not he regrets the action is probably another thing. He is an emotional player and it got the best of him in the moment but everyone has their breaking point and there it was.
Let's see what comes out of this.
So if fans pay, then they have all the right to boo and jeer their own players, no questions asked?
What he did was wrong and he knows it. Whether or not he regrets the action is probably another thing. He is an emotional player and it got the best of him in the moment but everyone has their breaking point and there it was.
Let's see what comes out of this.
He loves this game
Not ok but understandable. After a career of getting racially abused (assuming that is what happened) then you can crack and make a mistake. He will get a long ban and may face minor criminal charges depending on the circumstances. Sounds about right.
Some of you lot here are getting far too serious. Carry on and I'll head kick the lot of you myself you moaning ald cnuts.
Understandable I agree with.
Evrabody was Kung fu fighting. I'll get my coat.
But we live in a world where people are allowed to be racist.
It's just words. It's just a kick to the face.
I won't be surprised if he doesn't play again. Sad way to go for a great player.
This thread.
We used to have quite a lot of level-headed and sensible posters in the football forum. When did the standard drop so much?
We used to have quite a lot of level-headed and sensible posters in the football forum. When did the standard drop so much?
This place and people here . Yesterday green was green, today and tomorrow it is purple just depends from which side wind blows, fecking hell.
. Yesterday green was green, today and tomorrow it is purple just depends from which side wind blows, fecking hell.Just curious, if the player got sent off before the match during warm-ups, would the team start off with 10 players?
Wouldn't do something like that without massive provocation and we all know how people can act like cnuts when they are in a crowd. Not condoning it or supporting it til the facts are out.
Don't see why this would have any bearing on that.
Just practicing his Savate. Don't see anything wrong with it.
I have sympathy for him. He was obviously taking some serious verbal abuse and couldn't control himself.
I'd have sympathy for any player in this situation. The shit they have to listen to is insane sometimes, I know they are professionals and getting paid a lot of money but at the end of the day they are still human
I'd have sympathy for any player in this situation. The shit they have to listen to is insane sometimes, I know they are professionals and getting paid a lot of money but at the end of the day they are still human
Rubbish. So because Evra happens to be good at playing football, he cannot respond to someone giving him racist abuse? No idea what that guy said, but I would probably do the same thing to him if it made Evra react like that. This double standard with fans & players is pure BS - don't give if you are not prepared to take. Evra should be disciplined, obviously, and he's also a rolemodel. Doesn't change the fact that the guy probably deserved a kick in the face - it just makes Pat more of a rolemodel. People need to stop being so soft. Everything is 'unacceptable' these days.
When you waved banana with the purpose to mock people, that he is like a monkey, in your own country which consist of so many immigrants from Africa whom already contributed in all aspects specifically in Football, you are the lowest of human being...
And how come he insulted Patrice like that, from the face of his friends surround him, the man itself looked like no french origin itself...
Feck racism, if i was there, i will put my fist on that man face...
Benzema’s let himself go a bit eh?
Exactly what I thought when I first saw it. WTF is Benzema doing there.
Except not really. The majority of posts/posters here are not defending his actions, even in the context of hypothesizing about racism.
Sadly this doesn't change the fact that Suarez is a racist biting cnut.
Provocation or not, what he did was wrong. There was no need for violence. The fans shouldn't have been so close but there was no need to rile them up by kicking them.
Should have been a yellow. He went in with one foot and didn't leave the ground.
He was also a pro-evo legend back in 2002, with 99 pace and acceleration. I think he was almost equally as fast in real life!
And only 5ft 2' used to put him and Roberto Carlos up front
None whatsoever. If a person engages in racist abuse they should be punished according to the full extent of the law. Vigilante justice is not the answer.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I agree with that. Where I think we disagree, is whether or not vigilante justice is an acceptable solution to such.
Not sure why everyone is calling him a fan. The guy was a troll. He went to the match to get a reaction from the players. He wanted to act all tough with his mates and see what they could stir up.
The players dealt with the abuse for thirty minutes or so as reports state and then they confronted the fans. No job pays you enough to sit through continued abuse.
The stewards and security failed at their job. The situation should have been handled before it got to the point where players had to confront the trolls asking them to stop.
The players dealt with the abuse for thirty minutes or so as reports state and then they confronted the fans. No job pays you enough to sit through continued abuse.
The stewards and security failed at their job. The situation should have been handled before it got to the point where players had to confront the trolls asking them to stop.
Who decides what level of "provocation" is enough to warrant a kick to the face? If I were to insult your mother or religion would you say that warrants a kick to the face as well?