We were playing for offside. If the back line were retreating I’d agree that he should go with the man. We weren’t doing that and Lookman was onside by a toenail due to AWB not holding the line. You don’t go with the run there, as a midfielder it’s very very rare to run past your CB when defending a situation in which they are holding a line.
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He literally got his agent to come out and say that he was leaving when he wasnt getting in the team at the start of the season. And thats not the first time. Hows that fiction?
And my point wasnt that he is only playing well because the team is. My point is that the best Pogba is a loved Pogba in a winning team.
Not so in the modern game.
My point is that he started running back with Lookman but then stopped and raised his hand claiming offside.
Why should he not play to the whistle instead of taking the risk.
As with all players. I remember Roy Keane playing well for about two seasons consistently, or it seemed that way. Can’t think of anyone else really.
Because that’s just not what happens, you could argue all players should do that. You can argue defence shouldn’t play for offside, in fact Ole questioned why the back four played for offside, but we clearly did. It happens move on. AWB is to blame or whoever gave the order to push up rather than drop back.
I bet you couldn't pick one post that indicates that. The 2nd part is just made up fantasy where some actually led themselves to believe Paul Pogba will ever have a trouble picking up a club when he decides to leave.
Our players didn't care about the celebration rules when Pogba scored. 
Is this something that actually happens in real life or just another made up football myth?
Pogba playing well: "He's doing it to look for a move!"
Pogba not playing well: "He's doing it to look for a move!"
3 match suspension incomingOur players didn't care about the celebration rules when Pogba scored.
Don't think you know what you are on about mate
We do what we want.
No midfielder in the history or the game is running in behind their cbs so I don't know why you would expect that of pogba
The offside trap is another thing. There was about an inch in it, but at the time the pass was played Lookman was already 6 feet away from Pogba and accelerating.
Fact is Lookman was able to to take two touches, look up, and then pick his shot, all without a player anywhere near him. That's not AWB's fault. It's Pogba's.
err no...Pogba was starting at the beginning but Ole dropped him after conceding that he was not being fair to Pogba by starting him because he (Pogba) wasn't ready. Raiola's comments were never about playing time, as in fact, Pogba got dropped right after he made those comments. Raiola was looking for a new and improved contract for his player.
He and Bruno are going to drag us to a title win. I'm starting to believe.
If only we had a one man midfield like Carrick, we could afford playing Bruno and Pogba in every game.
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So he wasnt playing. we were playing badly. Sulk. Agent come out and says he's leaving. It wasnt a coincidence.
Its not THE standard. its just an example. Roy Keane vs Juve, Gerrard vs Milan, Scholes vs Arsenal, Gerrard vs Madrid are some other examples.
fair enough. for me World class has to mean something. Has to be the standard everyone else in the world aspires to reach in terms of performance.
Well that's it then. Thanks for ruining the season. See you guys in 2022.
He’s been left out of the team since then too, without problem. Did he start vs Leeds? Did he start at Leicester? Did he come straight back in and perform next game?
As for the latter point, I agree that he is better in a better team with motivation/focus on winning. This is probably not unusual in football. Most of the ‘top players’ you can name likely either play for a top team, or don’t play for a top team yet but are playing well to impress a top team and get their move. I doubt you can name many top footballers who have won World Cups, and made CL finals etc spending their prime years around 5th-7th in the league.
People speak about KDB for example, but it hasn’t been shown weather he can ‘carry’ a City team who are floating in 6th. He also isn’t outstanding nearly as often as implied himself anyway, but when you are in a generally successful team, those things are typically airbrushed out when games are won. You probably can’t remember 5 poor Keane or Scholes games across their entire careers, but they definitely had them. Who cares that Keane gave the ball away 3 times in a game where Ronaldo scored two and we win at Southampton? Conversely, Pogba himself is getting a lot of praise now partly because of his performances, but also because the team is winning. If we were not, I’m confident the narrative would be that he should be doing more.
Honestly Lookman drifts into an area where its the defences priority to deal with. It seems people cannot tend to who's at fault between Maguire and Bailey fair enough Pogba doesn't track the run but that's when the defences influences needs to come in tact. We concede too many goals on this basis.
There isn't a single so called fanboi of Pogba who thinks that. Even his biggest fans will admit that he wasn't as good as he could be in certain games.
I don't understand what you get from from fictious debates in your brain. It really is something fascinating. I challenge you to find a post that says it as blatantly.
Yeh, those are pretty high, man. I mean, Bruno hasn't had those kind of games at United, but he's arguably been "world class" since he's here.
I thought Pogba vs Burnley was world class. Maybe my standard is just pretty low.
At the point his agent came out with those comments he was playing.
Yeah I agree with all of this, just not seeing this 'brilliant performance' at all. He was excellent against Burnley, and crap against Liverpool. Same as he has always been, some great, some not great, yet he is seemingly the best player in the world at the moment, according to some.
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I don't think Bruno has been world class. He has lifted us a premier league team but we could not get over the line in any cup comp or europe like say a Gerrard has done for Liverpool. Bruno has made us very competitive in the league and been one of our best signings ever but I still don't think world class performances. His impact has been in the top 1% of premier league players but I don't feel he performs at a world class level. Same with Rashford, yet I feel Bruno must be a nailed on starter and we would struggle without him as a football team.
Still not world class though
Absolutely the latter...
All the ex-pros singing his praises last night are as blind as bats in your eyes then I take it
It's absolute bs. I'm sure loads of people invent these non-existent binaries just so they can position themselves as the arbiters of sense and reason.
Basically this.
Pogba and Bruno are taking it in turns to drag us closer and closer to the title. Hopefully at some point Martial and Rashford (and a bit of Greenwood?) decide to muck in with a bit of consistency. If we can start clicking as a unit going forward again we'll be hard to stop.
I felt the same but didn't want to look like a HATER as I am happy that he is fulfilling my prophecy. although the stats said he made a lot of "recoveries" whatever that means. also made some tackles too
I’m sorry you thought Pogba was crap against Liverpool?
To be honest they do the same with Bruno. There have been countless games where Bruno has played shite but because he scored an important goal or made a great assist they give him MoTM or say he was "magnificent". I'm starting to feel these ex pros commentary is lazy
You wouldn't be a hater for thinking that tbh. We all appreciate things differently.
It's fecking crazy
Like all those idiots who were convinced he was faking injuries last year and that he was never gonna play again for Utd.You'd have a point if the same lot were known for doing that with him.
They've got no qualms about slating him heavily when he doesn't perform though unlike Bruno to the point where it's a surprise when they're so effusive with the praise when he's in form.
You wouldn't be a hater for thinking that tbh. We all appreciate things differently.
It's fecking crazy
It is crazy because Paul seems like such a nice boy, a bit childlike at times like he has an innocence about him but I would never question his professionalism. It may be because people think his agent would influence him to do something crazyCame here expecting some positivity for a change and instead there's like 2 pages of bickering. Seriously, he's just scored a worldie for us which sent us top of the league, do we have to be so miserable at all times?
(It is absurd to say he's been world class, though. Being world class is all about consistency and not just for 1/2 months)
(It is absurd to say he's been world class, though. Being world class is all about consistency and not just for 1/2 months)
Pogba is just returning to his pre injury, pre covid form, it's that simple.
Pogba was playing like this in his first 2 years for us until the Mourinho stuff happened.
If he had the quality around him now back then we'd be doing fine - no coincidence we won stuff with Ibrahimovic leading the line, but then we got a fat Lukaku and it all fell apart.
Yes perhaps he could have kept mentallty motivated more, but I don't really blame him for feeling that way when he kept getting the blame whenever things went wrong.
He's now won 3 matches for us, I hope people are happier. I remember many said he'd never wear the shirt again
Pogba was playing like this in his first 2 years for us until the Mourinho stuff happened.
If he had the quality around him now back then we'd be doing fine - no coincidence we won stuff with Ibrahimovic leading the line, but then we got a fat Lukaku and it all fell apart.
Yes perhaps he could have kept mentallty motivated more, but I don't really blame him for feeling that way when he kept getting the blame whenever things went wrong.
He's now won 3 matches for us, I hope people are happier. I remember many said he'd never wear the shirt again
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