That might explain why it's going wrong with Ole 'an all!
Paul Scholes the pundit
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Rubbish pundit. He speaks like a fan...
Biased, flip flops, sensationalist. crap soundbites etc
Biased, flip flops, sensationalist. crap soundbites etc
So what changed from last season for him to change his opinion? I totally agree that number of goals doesn't make or break and think it's totally fine to re-asseds an opinion based on evidence changing.
But what's the evidence? What made Martial a good "number 9" last season and a con man who tricked us all this year?
Is it perhaps not flippant and fair-weather to change your opinion so drastically, so quickly? If he was posting here, I'm sure a number of posters would drag up what he said before and call him hypocritical.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But I was talking about Scholes and how he seems to change his opinion according to recent form. Went from calling him a proper number 9 to a con man, and all because he's had a poor start to the season?
Basically he's either being over the top now or was being over the top 3 months ago. Either way, that's poor form from a professional.
He was holding up play and being a nuisance for the centrebacks at a particular selection of teams. Once we stopped playing those teams and/or the centrebacks at other teams figured him out, he showed that he didn't have the all-round game required to be a centreforward.
It's no different to think Phil Jones could be a rightback because he looked brilliant there for a few games. Or that Lingard was a top class winger after a string of good performances.
Martial showed some of the traits needed to be a centreforward. He showed promise for the role. Then the promise turned out be false.
The ex-players are absolutely terrible when it comes to judging Ole. And the Pogba situation as well - they all feel the need to preface any criticism by stating he's a fantastic lad and great in the dressing room, but his agent is the problem.
When it comes to United, almost none of what they say has any worth. Scholes and Phil are the worst, as they have nothing of any substance to say, at any point. Gary almost has the balls to go after the owners, and he does when it comes to Ed, but Ole is untouchable for him too.
The foreign ex players who aren't employed by the club are possibly the least biased ones, like RVP.
But no one - outside that one ex youth player speaking to Phil de Bruin - calls out the owners. Why this respect? Is it all self-interest?
When it comes to United, almost none of what they say has any worth. Scholes and Phil are the worst, as they have nothing of any substance to say, at any point. Gary almost has the balls to go after the owners, and he does when it comes to Ed, but Ole is untouchable for him too.
The foreign ex players who aren't employed by the club are possibly the least biased ones, like RVP.
But no one - outside that one ex youth player speaking to Phil de Bruin - calls out the owners. Why this respect? Is it all self-interest?
No.
Look at the your own post for the quote:
"He’s turned himself into a No.9 every game I watch, more and more."
Martial was in the process of making himself a #9 and was getting there. He was never the finished article. That's something that can only be determined by time. And time has determined he isn't one.
So the promise turned out to be false because he's had a bad 10 games this season?
Like my original point, it's flippant. So if he starts to play like that again is he turning into a proper no 9 again? Or 10 poor games has meant he's definitely not a centre forward anymore?
It's the other way around. He believed the promise based on 10 good games last season.
He's never had the attributes to be a centreforward. If he learned them, then of course he will.
I see what you're saying but that isn't true is it. Martial was consistently good last year, he didn't have a hot spell where he bumped his numbers up. The only poor spell he had was when Rashford was injured. And obviously when Martial was injured. When they played together we looked good and Martial looked good.
Either way, I'm saying Scholes is too quick to jump on him this year, you're saying he believed it too quickly last year. Doesn't bother me which way you think, just that Scholes hasn't been very rational one way or the other.
He's been perfectly rational. You're the one who can't seem to understand that opinions can evolve based on changes in evidence.
He hasn't said anything racist yet
Him and Rio are more or less the same as pundits, say whatever’s in your head, if it contradicts what you just said, so be it. Also both start every sentence with “like we said before the show” as if they make sure to keep any insightful conversations off camera
For goodness sake, the entire point is that he changed his opinion too flippantly. One way or the other, he was too hasty.
I've even clearly spelt out, and said that it's a good thing, that people base opinions on evidence. What I questioned was the evidence in the first place. At the moment, it seems like Martial could have 10 good games again and Scholes would say "Yeah, he's becoming a no 9 again now. Ignore what I said before when I said he was conning us."
I didn't really think it was difficult to understand.
We're back, in the Europa League, baby!!
It's almost as if some things bother some people but don't bother others in the same way.
Newbie for a reason....
You'd imagine he's only doing it because he needs the money. Awful.
He was right about De Gea
Best player by a distance, worst pundit by the same.
He might need to take a step back after tonight. Nobody is saying we’re back and will steamroll Liverpool, just enjoy a win and stop trying to be psychic about Sunday.
He’s turned into Eamon Dunphy
I can appreciate what he is saying but he should be enjoying the moment.
He is right, we have to improve… a lot.
Feck me what a downer for a Utd fan listening to him.
He's just doing the Keane role tonight
He's right though.
Scholes absolutely bang on tonight
If it was up to the Caf then you'd think the players should be doing a lap of honor tonight.
But Liverpool is Sunday and we’ll worry about that then, that’s a completely different game and, if anything, they now play as high and reckless from the back as Atalanta do.
it’s not all one way and it seems over emotional. Which is weird since we won.
He knows Ole will keep doing this. Rare job saving results but ultimately we're not good enough to compete against the very best.
He talked the most sense he's talked in a while tonight, fair play.
The truth isn’t always pretty
He is spot on. Nice that he is finally critiquing the team as is his role as a pundit.
He's right. Yes it was a dramatic and exciting second half but we have to remember this was our third group stage game, and it was a must win somehow... And we were having to perform miracles to bear Atalanta B. What he provided was a reality check and it was needed.
He might be right but like it's proper shite telly.
It's true that he was a proper downer tonight. But he is right. We cannot keep a clean sheet.
fecking misery, couldn't even enjoy that! match for 60 seconds before the doom and gloom.
And when Scholes sticks up for him then it's because he's his mate etc etc