Squads matter, I am sure Jose has a better head to head than SAF. Does not make him better than Sir Alex.
Like you did from rawk and made it here.
But you said Guardiola isn't a patch on Jose. Clearly implying he's miles better. If he was indeed that great why should the quality of squad matter that much. After all its not like Jose has had scrubs to work with. He's had many world class players to work with and massive financial backing. Yet statistically Benitez has a better chance of beating Mourinho than Mourinho has of beating Guardiola. Clearly not THAT great after all is he.
And Robbie pisses all over Guardiola then doesnt he. You further prove my point, that head to head stats (which you brought into the discussion) do not say much.
Nope. Im merely saying they are all top managers who have their own strengths and weaknesses but not much in it overall. So whenever one has a better team than the other its bound to make a difference. BUT if one isn't supposedly a patch on the other as you claimed then the difference in squad quality shouldn't matter as much. Surely the great Mourinho can have a great record against the poor overrated Guardiola despite having an inferior team full of world class players and massive financial backing? After all he isn't a patch on Jose.
Why do you keep mentioning rawk?Like you did from rawk and made it here.
I guess they hand out bans here for using actual abuse.
Or PSG this, against 10 men no less.
Should be remembered that Jose's record vs SAF is buttered up by the strongest Chelsea team of the last 15 years coinciding with the weakest United team.
Why do you keep going in circles with this hear-to-head record. Your last post was enough evidence that it is not even indicative.
Can't be worse than your 'ran away from Mourinho' comment.
Read the post carefully, exactly what I said. Squads make all the difference. Jose almost always (apart from porto) had a better squad than SAF. Same way guadriola always had a better squad than Jose and still ended up with marginally better record against him.
What about Arsenal? Invincibles and all, yet Jose's head to head against Wenger says otherwise.
Hardly marginal when he's got more than twice as many wins.
Wrong again. Its not more than twice.
Well in Mourinho's first season he drew both games with Arsenal. It was the next season when Chelsea beat them twice and, at that point, the 'Invincibles' team was a fading memory, and Chelsea have had a much better than Arsenal ever since, at least they have whenever Mourinho's faced off against Wenger.
You're a Chelsea fan aren't you?
He's just 7 years into proper management. People forget that due to the obsene amount of success he's had.
Do you consider his season to be a success or failure?
He's won the league title so the failure option is disqualified. I'm guessing it's a success for the club to win another league title. For him it's probably a very minor success because bundesliga is easy to win for bayern.
Prior to the season a lot told that it would be hard for Bayern to win the league. They have not won a league title in a year after the World Cup since about 20 years...
Don't you think Pep has underachieved as per his club expectations? I mean anyone could win the title...
Are you kidding me? Who was saying Bayern will not win the league. And who else was going to? Have you seen the difference in quality of squads? Bayern could win their league with their 2nd playing XI also.
A league title, a cup semi final exit on penalties, and a Champions League semi final exit; if that's a underachieving, most clubs and most managers would be over the moon about that season. Winning a treble isn't something you can expect to happen every season.
I think bare minimum would have bee the league plus the domestic cup plus the CL final atleast. Which teams Bayern faced in the league, domestic cup and till CL semis have had better squads than Bayern?
Obviously anyone couldn't.
As I said, winning the league with that squad is not a big achievement. He doesn't have absolutely any competition there. Plus, its not like they won the league after a long time. He took over a treble-winning league.
Laughable stuff. It's actually sad how much you Chelsea fans are biased against him. Ashford turned out to be a Chelsea fan too. No wonder he too holds some weird personal grudge against Guardiola although your argument doesn't like a child's at least.
I didn't say it's a big achievement either. We've established that it isn't given the resources. But you're making a giant and hugely biased leap from saying "winning the league isnt a big achievement" to "league title, domestic cup title, and CL final is the BARE minimum". Real Madrid despite their chucking money in different directions took ages to win La Decima. It takes a lot of quality performance on the night and luck to do well in cup competitions. How often did SAF reach the CL final in his whole career? 4 TIMES. Mourinho. TWICE. And Pep is just 7 years into his career.
Yes, but the next manager cant be expected to win a treble or come within whiskers every year. It's a one off rare achievement. How many trebles has Mourinho done? SAF done? How many times have they come close to doing trebles like you say should be the BARE MINIMUM?
Did you see the injury list they had? Or does that not matter because you love Mourinho and he hates guardiola?
It really is. Their team hasn't even been in competition with a Guardiola team very often. It's all fueled from a rivalry Mourinho had when he was at another club.
. It's incredible that they don't realise how arrogant, ignorant and simply stupid their arguments are and that pretty much everything they write in this thread is utter nonsense as proven by what happened over decades in European football.You cannot even compare what competition Pep has to what Jose and Ferguson have had. Winning the treble with this Bayern team with that competition should be much easier than doing it in PL. I doubt anyone can do it in the PL now since there are 3-4 very very strong teams close to each other.
Would you be happy as a Bayern fan if Guardiola achieves the same targets and goes out in the CL semis again next season?The funniest thing about Chelsea fans in this thread is that they'll tell you that winning the Premier League with Chelsea is such a huge achievement because all the small teams can beat the bigger teams in the league. When it happens to Chelsea it proves what a great job Mourinho is doing. At the same time, you can read that going out in a one game knockout tie against Dortmund in the cup semifinal on penalties makes Bayern's season a failure
But I guess if Guardiola hasn't won 3 trebles before he turns 50, we should all join them in calling him an overrated manager. After all the bare minimum in a season, in which his team had ridiculous bad luck with injuries to key players, is a domestic double and a CL final and only a treble would make the season a success (I'm not even sure they'd call it a success if he wins a treble with Bayern, they'd probably call it meeting the expecations or something like that).
Football fans have lost all sense for reality if they think that a dominant league season with an unlucky semifinal cup exit and a CL semifinal is a failure.
Do you think Jose has failed this year because the EPL has been rubbish and he lost to 10-man PSG? I mean even if you think his squad isn't the best ever, going out to 10-man PSG was a little shit, wasn't it? Failed season?
Overall after a season like this? Yeah, I'd be happy. We would have won 4 league titles in a row for the first time in our history, we'd have seen some incredible games. Do I want more? Yeah of course. Would I forget that we only won two CL titles in the last 40 years then? Certainly not.
Sir Alex probably had it in 07-08 and he won a lot with it. Chelsea, Madrid and Barca squads were still very good then too and there was no much difference between those 4. Even the Italian teams weren't too behind in those years. Now, it's clear-cut there are 3 and then everyone else is below.
What intense competition? Did you see us, arsenal and city this season?
