Absolutely rubbish.
Maguire has reached Euro Finals and won PL’s with Leicester City.
Jones is nothing compared to Maguire even if no one rates him. And his injuries are due to it - just the standard of football and a players fitness.
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Maguire has reached Euro Finals and won PL’s with Leicester City.
Jones is nothing compared to Maguire even if no one rates him. And his injuries are due to it - just the standard of football and a players fitness.
12 years at the club. 6 PL games in 4 seasons.
What is it that people at the club saw in him to keep him for so long?
Why dint they keep Jonny Evans if they wanted a homegrown squad center back ?
What is it that people at the club saw in him to keep him for so long?
Why dint they keep Jonny Evans if they wanted a homegrown squad center back ?
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Nope, he joined Leicester in 2017 and they won the title in 2016
So is Wes Morgan, Albrighton and Simpson. Means feck all, from an individual skill standpoint.
Euro finals- since when is reaching finals considered as an accomplishment.
Now if you still want to stick to you point, Jones also has a PL, FA cup, community shield and Europa League.
Edit- Maguire didn't win the PL. @horsechoker thanks.
Yeah that sounds like absolute nonsense.
Even if we brought in 6 players - we lost Lingard, Pogba, Mata, Cavani, Matic, Telles and Bailly - 7 players, all of which would have been in the first team dressing room.
fair but do you find Jones better than Maguire as well?
Been there done that. I also thought the same! Turns out they bought him the season after.
Further makes you think why he was scouted to be purchased.
Exactly this.
I'm convinced the people at the club see him as a guinea pig. Doctors and physios are kept on their toes as they get to treat one freak injury after another. So whenever one of the actual footballers at the club get unusual injuries they have the experience and reference point.
Headline makes it worse than it is. He’s not going to be available more than Lindelof and Maguire and the next option after them would ideally be a young CB at the club. His time is up at the club and possibly his career. Not that deep.
That's the bit I don't get. Why did we keep extending his contract with his injury record? Baffling!
I presume we're trying to do the right thing and get him fit to hopefully get a contract at another club when he does leave. If we paid him off now he's screwed. It's not really hurting anyone keeping him on the books and letting him try to get healthy.
Is there any other example of a club paying wages to a perma injured player?
It happens all the time where players get injured and can never play again. I am sure clubs look after players in some way but to leave them on the books get a fortune in wage is mental.
Injury goes with the territory
I had asked someone who is very close to SAF. The answer was that it was done above Ole's head (although the guy is pretty much an ole fan) and that Jones has friends at very high places
Sounds like bullshit. And if his body is holding up, there’s no way he isn’t outshining other defenders in training. In fact, it’s quite weird how little PT he got last season when he’s looked very much the part in his fleeting cameos. He’s also one of few natural front-foot defenders at the club.
I have to assume he’s crocked if he’s demoted.
I have to assume he’s crocked if he’s demoted.
Gone are the days where we can debate if Jones has a use here, he's barely kicked a ball in 4 seasons.
I'm all for this from Ten Hag - if your not contributing to the squad get out.
Correct decision
I'm all for this from Ten Hag - if your not contributing to the squad get out.
Correct decision
Wish I had a mate who’d get me a job training at United a few hours a day and getting front row seats every match, plus the lavish wage on top of that… I’m calling BS on that rumour.
“Kicked out” cute clickbait.
Also he’s literally never fit, he could be prime Baresi but what’s the point if he doesn’t want / Can’t play.
Phil Jones over Varane was a poor transfer, perhaps in hindsight, but it is what it is.
Smalling has always been the better pure defender of the two, less prone to brainfarts, more athletic and absolutely rapid.
Whose bright idea was it to hand Jones a new contract and sell Smalling for peanuts?
Mind boggling stuff honestly, since Ole clearly never intended to play anything but counter attacking football.
No he isn’t, come on now.
Also he’s literally never fit, he could be prime Baresi but what’s the point if he doesn’t want / Can’t play.
Phil Jones over Varane was a poor transfer, perhaps in hindsight, but it is what it is.
Smalling has always been the better pure defender of the two, less prone to brainfarts, more athletic and absolutely rapid.
Whose bright idea was it to hand Jones a new contract and sell Smalling for peanuts?
Mind boggling stuff honestly, since Ole clearly never intended to play anything but counter attacking football.
How many contracts did he sign? This is one of the more bizarre situations in the club, which coach renewed him last?
"Phil Jones, you're fecking kicked out heh"
Eric Ten Hag probably
Eric Ten Hag probably
That's hypnotising.
Bought the season after and also suffered four relegation in his career
And played him once?
If we have 24 spaces in the dressing room, I'd ideally want them to be taken up by the 24 players who are going to contribute most over the course of the season. Jones has played 13 games for us in total in the last 3 seasons. I feel for the lad, but I'm sure we have 24 players on the books more likely to play more this year.
I know this sub loves to blame Ole for everything but come on.
The players signing contracts is down to Woody trying to protect assets but failing to realise assets are only assets if they are wanted by others and you can move them on.
Yeah, Woodward had a weird obsession with that. It clearly wasn't on Ole. He did the same thing to Jose with Martial.
The irony of it all is that he did it to raise their market value and their contracts were so massive that it became impossible to then sell any of them on.
We know he's your uncle, no need to gloat.
He has one more year living the United dream on a big wage.
After that it's such a lotto of whether he'll get a new deal anywhere, and on what money, that you can certainly understand why it'd be insanity to leave early.
After that it's such a lotto of whether he'll get a new deal anywhere, and on what money, that you can certainly understand why it'd be insanity to leave early.
You are free to build your own opinion. If you ask mine, well, I have no doubt that this guy has close connections with SAF. I saw that myself when SAF visited Malta and I saw him seated near SAF a couple of times while watching the game on telly. There seem to be a job for the boys mentality as well. After all Rangnick himself said that he struggled to understand what Fletcher's role is not to forget that Phelan is still here despite not being anywhere near to ETH's coaching staff. What I do question is Ole's lack of involvement into Jones's deal. Surely someone who got the job through this way would be demanded to back those who wanted another matey of theirs to get a contract extension. As said this guy is an Ole loyalist. He still believe that he would have been able to turn things around especially if we allowed him full access to the funds we gave to ETH.
Imagine feeling sorry for players who get paid more in a week than most working class people get paid in a year.
Like every top level cutthroat business, if you’re not performing you get the boot. The fact of the matter is we’ve been accommodating too many freeloaders for years now.
Like every top level cutthroat business, if you’re not performing you get the boot. The fact of the matter is we’ve been accommodating too many freeloaders for years now.
Yet is still a human being with very real feelings, look at how many celebrities commit suicide or suffer from some kind of mental health issue, being rich doesn't mean you have no troubles or mental health issues
Imagine how many more folks who are poor go through mental issues on a daily basis.
but because hello magazine didn’t write an article about it, you fail to realise.
Besides bailing out Ralf, who was overawed by the tempo and intensity of the Premier League?
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If he was thinking of his career he would have gone.
I didn't realise he played for Ribble Wanderers. That would have been the early days of RWs.
Ten Hag likes Pot Noodles.
If only he warmed the bench.