Piers Morgan: "David Beckham was overrated. Wouldn't play for Arsenal's invincibles."

[ti vu]

If I recall, that Arsenal Invincibles team were playing Bara style football, on the floor, quick passing and the brilliant Henry who would also drop back and was very good at making runs to score his goals, they didn't exactly have a plan to cross the ball or win free kicks, so with that said I don't think Beckham would have been as good as he was if he was playing in that team, players flourish when the teams style of play suits them, we never tried to play football in the fancy Arsenal/Barcelona way so we will never know.

No.

They were a fast transitioning team. They struggled in Europe even at the peak because teams in Europe didn't suicidally overcommit men forward and letting spaces in behind for Arsenal fast paced transition to take full effect. When a team organized, they had issue with having no forward inside the box(go visit their forum for old threads of this period)!!! There was even conspiracy about Highburry small pitch benefit this style and they failed to adapt. Henry as good as he was, preferring freedom. They were a jammy team too where they were very strong with their set piece attacking play. They loved to win free kick.

That is not how total football which Barcelona supposed to play, works. Total football gears toward defend and attack with number, which means control. That Arsenal was not rare to be seen outfought and lost control of the game. They were just too dangerous with their transition, to make up for being pushed back.

Wenger later tried a more total football system to build around Fabregas. That was not the invincible team for this discussion.

 

[Rado_N]

Maybe don't use Odell Beckham as your example to bash someone. He's lived off one catch in his rookie season in a game the Giants lost to carry his reputation, and he's been a negative to his team's most seasons. This year he got lucky that a team going all in decided to take a punt on him

@rpitroda @RobinLFC

 

[shamans]

David Beckham was an amazing free-kick specialist, but that's it...

I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan, but he's 100% on that Beckham is massively overrated.

Even this cliche take is very 2010 hipster who has never watched Beckham play.

Kids who never watched Beckham love to say he was just a celeb.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Like Arsenal, Piers is desperately trying to gain attention and stay relevant.

 

[One Night Only]

Piers is one of those cnuts nobody will be sad about when he dies.

 

[Green_Red]

Does anyone actually give a feck what this cretin thinks about anything?

 

[GMok]

The only talking point of this thread should be "Why is anyone even giving attention to that thundercnut Piers Morgan?"

 

[KingCavani]

A genuinely trash human being who’ll say just about anything for attention.

 

[VeevaVee]

I’ve always said it, but Beckham was underrated as a player. His overall celebrity got too big and overshadowed everything, also the fact that he played in teams that were stacked top to bottom with world class talent. He was one of them, both for United and for Real Madrid. I genuinely do believe he was underrated.

He had a tremendous football brain, and aside from his free kicks, his crossing and delivery from wide is as good as there has ever been. He’s such a unique player, an absolute wand of a right foot, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a player so consistently hit the mark with crosses. Every time I was one of our corners fail to beat the first man, or I watch Dalot or AWB cross it out for a throw in or goal kick, I think of Beckham..

Yeah this. There's very few, if any, professional footballers who could actually kick a ball as consistently perfect as he could and he could do it while playing at a blistering tempo too, often doing it on the counter. That's before you even get to his dedication to the sport and team, and his workrate.

Piers is just being his typical sad little troll self, whose best talent is being a total gobshite.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Does this stupid cnuts opinions really deserve a thread?

He's a piece of trash who is wrong on almost everything. Feck Piers Morgan.

 

[Wibble]

What have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[greatscott9930]

Shouldn't this have been posted in the brake fluid thread?

 

[General_Elegancia]

Beckham in my eyes was absolutely World Class player for sure. Arguably god of crossing, had a superb work rate and great long range shooting , calm down Piers.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Only one of the very best players in a treble winning team.

 

[Jippy]

Why do we need a 'was Beckham world class?' thread every three to six months? Anyone who watched him play regularly will tell you he was. Some Arse fans feel Pires at his peak was better.
Can't believe it's nearly 20 years ago now that he left.

 

[Florida Man]

Attention whore looking for attention.

This is the correct answer

 

[Fridge chutney]

Why do british people love Piers Morgan so much to make him famous? Why is his opinion respected so much in the UK?

He's talentless, looks like shit, offers nothing original or funny, entitled, cries a lot, arrogant, morally bankrupt, and frankly the walking definition of privileged and an upward failure. He's also wrong about most things and of has low intelligence. I don't understand why he is relevant, other than he is for some reason broadly adored in England. Why, for God's sake???

 

[RedTiger]

Can't believe it's nearly 20 years ago now that he left.

I know mate. I remember hoping they'd kiss and make up, but no, we sold him for a laughable fee.

 

[simonhch]

David Beckham was an amazing free-kick specialist, but that's it...

I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan, but he's 100% on that Beckham is massively overrated.

What a shocking post. I can only assume it’s either a poor effort at being a WUM, you never saw him play live regularly, you hate United, or you’re under 30.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Well apart from Henry and maybe Ashley Cole, no one from the Invicibles would play for United 99. Not even Vieira. So what's the argument here? Viera, Pires and Silva were shit and ovverated?

That's a bit wild. I don't see how there's a "maybe" about Ashley Cole. He was head and shoulders above Irwin.

Both Campbell and Toure were better centre backs than Ronny Johnson, and Pires at his peak might have been better than the 99 version of Giggs (who was not as consistent as he was in his later years).

 

[ti vu]

That's a bit wild. I don't see how there's a "maybe" about Ashley Cole. He was head and shoulders above Irwin.

Both Campbell and Toure were better centre backs than Ronny Johnson, and Pires at his peak might have been better than the 99 version of Giggs (who was not as consistent as he was in his later years).

The Ashley Cole in question was not as good as he would be later in Chelsea shirt. He has speed which makes him a very good 1 vs 1 defensively, however, he lacked tactical disciplined and could be lured out of position. He was not highly rated as defender at this point. Ironically he was rated higher for his attacking around this time, which had to do more with Henry preference to drift to left wing, and having Pires overload. Ashley Cole crossing is average at best. He's not smooth dribbler neither. Irwin 99 was more well rounded full back in every sense, bar speed.

Campbell was better than Ronny Johnsen, but Kolo Toure. Kolo Toure may have a purple patch where he looked really good, but with hindsight of him pre and post this purple patch, he's not reliable as Johnsen. Toure got the momentum of Arsenal season to carry him. He's not exactly that good.

Pires at his peak may be more productive going forward, but he's found lacking defensively which affected Arsenal especially in CL for years. Giggs 99 for all the issue with his inconsistency with having the ability to turn up for the occasion in all competitions, which did have crucial role in our Treble. Giggs was consistent with his workrate and defensive duty though.

 

[pratyush_utd]

David Beckham was an amazing free-kick specialist, but that's it...

I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan, but he's 100% on that Beckham is massively overrated.

Did you even watch him play or just saw a compilation on Youtube?

 

[WR10]

Piers is a genius at getting clicks, isn't he? When it comes to doing his job, he is world-class.

Look at how he got everyone talking.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Its almost like people forget how difficult to hit a 60 yard pinpoint passes from the flanks, while opposition winger and fullback on you, especially receiving the wayward passes from gary fecking neville. WUM

 

[Jackal981]

How to tell us you never watched Beckham play without saying you never watched Beckham play.

To posters like him Beckham is just another Ward Prowse with a famous wife what a joke of a comment. He probably wasnt even born when Beckham played for us. He could still teach a thing or two to our current youngsters on how to ping a pass and work like a horse in the field. Seriously I believe if he came out of retirement right now and got into our mess of a squad, he would still be the best crosser in the team.

 

[cybertej29]

The fact that he got himself into the top post of Redcafe proves that he got what he wanted, a reaction.

 

[LDUred]

Beckham was an exceptionally good player for us and had a wand of a right foot. We have never really replaced his quality of delivery, and the way he struck the ball from a range of angles made him hard to set up defensively against. He could hit basically any kind of pass, and he had an eye for goal, too. I still remember that deft chip against West Ham which he hit without breaking stride. Just incredible.

He has the ninth highest number of Premier League assists, which is even more impressive when you consider he played less than many of those above him in the list. That amount inflated to 106 assists in all comps, and he also managed 85 goals for us, many of which were from outside of the box. His ten seasons with us were incredibly productive.

He also tallied a further 51 assists for Real Madrid and was a pretty decent player at international level, all told. Most of him consider one of the best free kick takers of all time.

Would anyone honestly pick Freddie Ljungberg ahead of him? I mean, really?

 

[londonredmaniac]

How to tell us you never watched Beckham play without saying you never watched Beckham play.

Indeed

What utter nonsense

 

[Wilt]

My sympathies go to Arsenal.… having that tit as a supporter.

 

[The Boy]

I'm very surprised there is even a thread on this let alone 6 pages. Beckham was world class and proved it time and time again for United, Madrid and England. Morgan was and still is a twat. Nothing more to be said.

 

[flappyjay]

David Beckham was an amazing free-kick specialist, but that's it...

I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan, but he's 100% on that Beckham is massively overrated.

Tell you what if Beckham was in his prime we would stick him in the middle of the park not at rw, he would proceed to put in a better shift than any of our midfielders then pass better than any of them that's including Pogba.

 

[Hailee]

Honestly he wouldn't make the Arsenal Invincibles team as his play style doesn't suit them.

He is a great player, but he is a tad overrated especially on this board. He was always a level or two below the real ballon dor caliber players like Figo and Nedved.

Even Championship/Football Manager back in those days rated him a 170-180 player, below the top players who were rated above 180 and 190 in CA.

Giggs was better rated and seen as better than Beckham back then, but Becks is the bigger celebrity and we all know Giggs is a cnut and no one talks about him anymore.

 

[padzilla]

There is an argument that despite his achievements Beckham didn't make the most of his obvious talents - he went to the US too soon when he had plenty to offer at elite level.
To suggest he couldn't play football is nonsense but then what do we expect from the author.

 

[padzilla]

Beckham played out of position for us in the middle of the pitch of the CL final in 99 and was instrumental in us winning the game... what more does the guy have to do?

 

[Trezeguet17]

He had a short peak but of course he was world class.
United had many world class players over the years but I can only think of two ballon d‘or level seasons a player produced for United in the modern era and that are Ronaldo and Beckham who should have won it in 99.
Maybe Rooney and van Persie were close to that level for a season
Giggs, Rooney, Keane, Rio, Scholes, Ruud,Vidic were all wc and arguably had a better career but no one ever played a ballon d‘or level season.

 

[hellhunter]

@rpitroda @RobinLFC

It's amazing being able to come up with a similarly wild opinion to Piers Morgan's in the OP including the name Beckham, have to give him that

 

[pauldyson1uk]

David Beckham was an amazing free-kick specialist, but that's it...

I'm not a fan of Piers Morgan, but he's 100% on that Beckham is massively overrated.

Where is the white text ?
Or are you posting this has a wind up ?

 

[pauldyson1uk]

who actually takes notice of what Penis Morgan has to say?
He is a complete and utter prick, he only posts stuff to get a reaction and in this case it worked.

 

[B20]

When people were calling Beckham overrated back in the day it was to argue he wasn't as good as Figo (which he wasn't). Pires could perhaps give him a run for his money but Beckham curbstomps against ljungbjerg.

 

[njred]

Looks like this idiot got the desired result in winding up United supporters. I’m pretty sure during those years it was killing him watching Beckham win year after years whilst playing at a top level for a top tram. It’s just bitterness and jealousy but the supporters fell for the wind up , so he’s happy.