So, Fred has had no positive input last season (2022-23)?
Players you 100% want to leave in the summer
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Maguire
Weghorst (sadly)
Jones
Van Der Beek
Players bought by previous managers but out on loan (eg Telles) with the exception of Amad Dallio at Sunderland.
Weghorst (sadly)
Jones
Van Der Beek
Players bought by previous managers but out on loan (eg Telles) with the exception of Amad Dallio at Sunderland.
Correct me if I am wrong, but with the new FFP rules, only profit can go towards new signings. Home grown players like McT and Henderson will automatically be profit, but anything that we get from Maguire, DVB will be a loss and therefore cannot be added to the kitty. That's my understanding anyway.
I am not going to bother checking the actual rules but I would assume it is accounting profit. Then I would also assume that Maguire's value on our books would have been amortized by quite a bit so we might make a profit on him from an accounting perspective. Although, I am not 100% sure on the accounting for football clubs.
DDG
Maguire
Mctomminay
Elanga
Sancho
Weg
Maguire
Mctomminay
Elanga
Sancho
Weg
I know some people love to hate but even if Henderson isn't the perfect fit, he is a much better fit for us than de gea. He claims crosses better, sweeps better and commands his area better. They are on per when it comes to saves and distribution. Would go with him over de gea every single day.
All the loans
Bailly
Williams
Telles
Henderson
Maguire
VDB
McTominay
Fred
Martial
Elanga
Thats just the 100% ones, but with a couple of out of contract additions that is a good 12players already, could quite easily add another five I wouldnt be fussed to see leave
Bailly
Williams
Telles
Henderson
Maguire
VDB
McTominay
Fred
Martial
Elanga
Thats just the 100% ones, but with a couple of out of contract additions that is a good 12players already, could quite easily add another five I wouldnt be fussed to see leave
I want the players to leave that impact how we play.
DDG
Maguire
McTominey
Martial
They are the key ones at this stage. Martial offers no energy or movement to put pressure on teams. Maguire is too slow and destroys the confidence of those around him. DDG limits greatly what you can do in possession under pressure and McTominey is a throwback to a midtable 90s CM. He just isn’t what is required of a modern CM in 2023.
Those ones are key for me because of the impact on the football of the first team.
Obviously the likes of Bailly, Telles, Henderson VDB, Elanga should be sold too, but being so far away from the first team, they don’t have the same impact.
I used to argue in favor of Maguire (ever present) and Martial (squad depth), but players times come and go and with ETH as the coach, these players just don’t have a future here.
DDG
Maguire
McTominey
Martial
They are the key ones at this stage. Martial offers no energy or movement to put pressure on teams. Maguire is too slow and destroys the confidence of those around him. DDG limits greatly what you can do in possession under pressure and McTominey is a throwback to a midtable 90s CM. He just isn’t what is required of a modern CM in 2023.
Those ones are key for me because of the impact on the football of the first team.
Obviously the likes of Bailly, Telles, Henderson VDB, Elanga should be sold too, but being so far away from the first team, they don’t have the same impact.
I used to argue in favor of Maguire (ever present) and Martial (squad depth), but players times come and go and with ETH as the coach, these players just don’t have a future here.
Would be easy to make a list if it were Football Manager.
DDG - still thanks for everything though but it's time.
Martial
Maguire
Sancho
Bailly
Fred
Williams
Telles
Henderson
Elanga
VDB
That would be my first day's business for starters.
DDG - still thanks for everything though but it's time.
Martial
Maguire
Sancho
Bailly
Fred
Williams
Telles
Henderson
Elanga
VDB
That would be my first day's business for starters.
How did you miss McT?
Sad thing is I'd be amazed if we got 60m for this rabble considering we'd likely have to sell low to offset high wage demands
I didn't miss him I would keep him on the bench for now. We can't change 70% of the squad so he gets another year
----------------------De Gea-------------------
-----Tuanzebe----Bailly---Maguire-----
Williams--Donny--McTominay--Telles
----Elanga------Martial------Henderson
Thats my see you later 11... Henderson in an unusual role.
Didnt include Weghorst or Sabitzer. Think McTominay would generate a good fee and Fred, however short term, is a better option.
Realistically if we got shot of half of them Id be impressed.
-----Tuanzebe----Bailly---Maguire-----
Williams--Donny--McTominay--Telles
----Elanga------Martial------Henderson
Thats my see you later 11... Henderson in an unusual role.
Didnt include Weghorst or Sabitzer. Think McTominay would generate a good fee and Fred, however short term, is a better option.
Realistically if we got shot of half of them Id be impressed.
Definitely has to go:
- Bailly
- Telles
- Van de Beek
- Maguire
- Elanga
- Henderson
- Martial
- Mctominay
- De Gea (painful to see)
David de Gea.
Anyone else leaving is a bonus.
Anyone else leaving is a bonus.
I’ve never understood the whole wage demands issue. Surely any buyers can say “like feck am I paying you £150k a week when you’ve been utter shite the last few seasons”?
Then the player can easily say "No thanks, I'll stay at my current club collecting my high wages and not playing. When my contract ends I'll get a better contract that what you're offering because my new could won't need to pay any transfer fee@.
Maguire
Weghorse
Martial (could have been a great)
McTominay
Greenwood.
Antony if rumours are true. Love him as a player, think he’s been underrated for what he offers over 90 minutes especially in the latter part of the season and will only get better. But yeah rather have weghorse on the wing if it’s true.
Weghorse
Martial (could have been a great)
McTominay
Greenwood.
Antony if rumours are true. Love him as a player, think he’s been underrated for what he offers over 90 minutes especially in the latter part of the season and will only get better. But yeah rather have weghorse on the wing if it’s true.
100% want to leave is always dependent on us actually replacing them.
It's easy to say 100% Maguire should leave but if you told me we wouldn't sign a centre back to make up the numbers, we should keep him as emergency back up in case of an injury crisis.
The players who should leave
De Gea
Henderson
Telles
Maguire
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Williams
Fred
Mctominay
VDB
Martial
Elanga
Weghorst
Sabitzer
That would mean we need summer signings of goalkeeper, centre back, 2 midfielders, and 2 strikers. If you can be shrewd with some signings and not go for huge money options every single time you sign a player, I think it's plausible. We don't know how to scout or negotiate though so we'll end up stuck with an incomplete squad or having to keep players who aren't good enough to make up the numbers.
Personally I think we should also be looking at how much we could get if we sold one of AWB/Dalot and how much our ideal replacement would cost, and if you could fund the purchase of a new right back with the sale of one of the current RB's we should go for it. But I don't think it's the end of the world if we put this off till next summer.
It's easy to say 100% Maguire should leave but if you told me we wouldn't sign a centre back to make up the numbers, we should keep him as emergency back up in case of an injury crisis.
The players who should leave
De Gea
Henderson
Telles
Maguire
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Williams
Fred
Mctominay
VDB
Martial
Elanga
Weghorst
Sabitzer
That would mean we need summer signings of goalkeeper, centre back, 2 midfielders, and 2 strikers. If you can be shrewd with some signings and not go for huge money options every single time you sign a player, I think it's plausible. We don't know how to scout or negotiate though so we'll end up stuck with an incomplete squad or having to keep players who aren't good enough to make up the numbers.
Personally I think we should also be looking at how much we could get if we sold one of AWB/Dalot and how much our ideal replacement would cost, and if you could fund the purchase of a new right back with the sale of one of the current RB's we should go for it. But I don't think it's the end of the world if we put this off till next summer.
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Why are people including Weghorst and Sabitzer?
They’re not our players.
They we’re only on short term loans, which are now ending and they are automatically leaving to go back to their own clubs.
They’re not our players.
They we’re only on short term loans, which are now ending and they are automatically leaving to go back to their own clubs.
If players are leaving sell them, only loans should be youngsters for development.
someone suggested loaning Sancho out, a 70mil player. No way. Sell recoup £50mil reinvest.
someone suggested loaning Sancho out, a 70mil player. No way. Sell recoup £50mil reinvest.
I think the people who think real life football is like Ultimate Team are gonna be very disappointed this summer.
I also think it's odd that people seemingly want half of the squad sold. A few clubs have shown the downsides this season of making huge amounts of changes to a squad in a short space of time.
I also think it's odd that people seemingly want half of the squad sold. A few clubs have shown the downsides this season of making huge amounts of changes to a squad in a short space of time.
Fred, DDG and Martial. All 3 are Match of the Day players who give you a couple of spectacular moments per game and therefore have weirdly obsessive fanclubs that overrate them massively because they don't appreciate that football is played over 90 minutes. This gives United the problem that between those moments, they're massively detrimental to our overall play. And because they can't even claim to be steady eddies when they're having an off-day, they're useless as squad players unlike some of other names mentioned in this thread. Don't even get me started on their wages!
Greenwood and VdB need to leave as well, because neither can realistically contribute anything on the pitch and haven't done so for at least 18 months each.
Maguire is another obvious one, but for the different reason that his relationship with the club is completely broken with no way back. Sancho is one I think should be 80% to leave, but he's not been at United long enough to warrant 100% yet. I wouldn't complain if he goes, though.
Greenwood and VdB need to leave as well, because neither can realistically contribute anything on the pitch and haven't done so for at least 18 months each.
Maguire is another obvious one, but for the different reason that his relationship with the club is completely broken with no way back. Sancho is one I think should be 80% to leave, but he's not been at United long enough to warrant 100% yet. I wouldn't complain if he goes, though.
For me its a long list:
De Gea, Henderson
Bailly, Maguire, Williams, Telles, Tuanzebe
Donny, McTomminay
Martial, Elanga
Would also be nice to somehow come up with £100m in transfer fees for the above
De Gea, Henderson
Bailly, Maguire, Williams, Telles, Tuanzebe
Donny, McTomminay
Martial, Elanga
Would also be nice to somehow come up with £100m in transfer fees for the above
For Definite:
Maguire
Elanga
Van de Beek
Telles
Bailly
Henderson
One of Fred or McTominay
Williams
Would sell Martial if we can sign a striker.
Maguire
Elanga
Van de Beek
Telles
Bailly
Henderson
One of Fred or McTominay
Williams
Would sell Martial if we can sign a striker.
Maguire.
David de Gea.
Anyone else leaving I'd consider a bonus.
Anyone else leaving I'd consider a bonus.
"If", therefore you can't be 100% you would like him to leave?
De Gea
McTominay
Maguire
Those are the three first team players whose sale/release would give me further belief that we are moving the right way. All three are spectacularly unsuited to the type of style that we are hopefully transitioning to, while also not actually having any strengths that allow them to provide tactical options. I'm sure I'll get the 'elite shot-stopping' squad disagreeing about De Gea, but he simply isn't anymore.
Obviously then there are also the players in the squad who don't really make the line-ups at all.
Elanga
VDB
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Telles
Williams
There are numerous other players who I wouldn't be upset to see leaving, but the above are the ones I actively want out. I also don't want Sabitzer or Wout kept.
McTominay
Maguire
Those are the three first team players whose sale/release would give me further belief that we are moving the right way. All three are spectacularly unsuited to the type of style that we are hopefully transitioning to, while also not actually having any strengths that allow them to provide tactical options. I'm sure I'll get the 'elite shot-stopping' squad disagreeing about De Gea, but he simply isn't anymore.
Obviously then there are also the players in the squad who don't really make the line-ups at all.
Elanga
VDB
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Telles
Williams
There are numerous other players who I wouldn't be upset to see leaving, but the above are the ones I actively want out. I also don't want Sabitzer or Wout kept.
this… although I’m still clinging to hope more than anything now that Sancho can turn it around
De Gea, Maguire, McTominay, Fred, Sancho, Martial, and Greenwood.
How many United 'failures' have gone on to do well in other clubs? I find it worrying that so many big names come to us and disappoint. Is it too big for them or do they think they're too big for us, or what?
I would be happy if it was just de gea, it will make a big difference with a modern sweeper keeper that dominates his area, even Maguire would be improved with such a change behind him
There are players like tells and Damian who were/are genuinely good players, just didn't fit in the PL. Similar with VDB. However, others failed to their next clubs.
Right then here goes
And I am hoping we are able to at least make 100m in sales. And I don't even want to list Wout Weghorst or Sabitzer, because that's stating the obvious.
- De Gea (I am sorry about this, but its time to move on)
- Henderson
- Jones (done but anyway)
- Bailly
- Maguire
- Telles
- Brandon Williams
- Tuanzebe
- One of McTominay or Fred
- Elanga
- Martial
And I am hoping we are able to at least make 100m in sales. And I don't even want to list Wout Weghorst or Sabitzer, because that's stating the obvious.
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De Gea (Thank you for your service but past his best)
Fred (Same)
Martial (Same, shame he never forfilled his obvious talent but he's had more than enough chances)
Elana (Not good enough)
Maguire (Same)
Telles (Same)
Henderson (Same, also publicly slagged off the club so feck off)
Jones & Bailly (Been stealing a living for years)
Van den Beek & Tuanzebe (Who? Clearly not good enough and not part of our plans going forward)
Greenwood (Shame, but if he wants to restart his career he's going to have to do so elsewhere)
Weghorst & Sabitzer (Loan players but clearly not up to scratch anyway)
We had a bit of a clear out last summer, but there's still an unbelievable amount of deadwood lying around the club.
Fred (Same)
Martial (Same, shame he never forfilled his obvious talent but he's had more than enough chances)
Elana (Not good enough)
Maguire (Same)
Telles (Same)
Henderson (Same, also publicly slagged off the club so feck off)
Jones & Bailly (Been stealing a living for years)
Van den Beek & Tuanzebe (Who? Clearly not good enough and not part of our plans going forward)
Greenwood (Shame, but if he wants to restart his career he's going to have to do so elsewhere)
Weghorst & Sabitzer (Loan players but clearly not up to scratch anyway)
We had a bit of a clear out last summer, but there's still an unbelievable amount of deadwood lying around the club.
The priority should be Sancho when the world still believes he's quality. At least, we can demand a reasonable fee for him; by the end of next season, teams may not even accept him for free!
Maguire, Martial, Donny, and Henderson won't fetch any money, so I'm least bothered.
And then there are Elanga, Bailly and Telles. The list is long, but the priority is Sancho for 40-odd million!
Maguire, Martial, Donny, and Henderson won't fetch any money, so I'm least bothered.
And then there are Elanga, Bailly and Telles. The list is long, but the priority is Sancho for 40-odd million!
“ Ok I’ll stay at my current club where I’m earning a lot more “
Victor Lindelof: 100%
Maguire and Fred: 95 %
Loan deal or leave: McTominay probably leave
Sadly but a must as well DDG
Maguire and Fred: 95 %
Loan deal or leave: McTominay probably leave
Sadly but a must as well DDG
Yeah we have to move with the times on this,only need to look at the likes of Onana against City to see that's the right way forward
Yeah could get some decent money