Thought that was obvious, to be honest. There's no way they would've made a whole new game that quick and have it ready for launch. Even the way it was shown implied it was just an add-on. If you need the original game to play it, I probably won't. I sold mine ages ago.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It hasn't flopped, it sold over 5 million units at the start of this year which makes it the best selling tethered VR headset by a large margin. It's supported by a pretty good content library with some fully fledged VR titles like Resident Evil 7, Astrobot, Blood & Truth, No Man's Sky VR, Dirt Rally VR and others. It's all about expectation. If people were expecting this to be the "next big thing" and really take off, you might perceive it as flopping. But from a realistic point of view it's done really well. It needs huge improvements in praticality (it has to be wireless, period) to become really mainstream and I'm not sure we'll ever get there, but as it stands it's already a great product with some fantastic experiences available on it.
I dunno, the PS4 sold like wildfire cause Sony priced it much more affordably than MS with the XBONE. I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot with a dramatic price increase.
The impression I got was that it would be like Infamous First Light or Uncharted Lost Legacy. Smaller games based heavily on the existing main titles, but still sold as a standalone. That would make the most sense.
And with that my brief interest has faded. I'm not a big PS series fan, but the last Spider-man game was great. I only really play that and FIFA on my son's ps4.
Xbox also had gifted Sony. They released a underpowered console with Kinect forced on for a higher price. It was no brainer. If they had released a more powerful console at the start of last gen and charged more they would have gotten away with it. A lot of the 360 base would have jumped ship, but nope they lost a lot of them to Sony. They also pissed a lot of people off with all the used game shit.
I think MS as a company and where they going with gamepass will probably try to take the loss. Sony aren’t in the business of making losses on consoles again after the PS3. If they charge £500 for it then it will sellout over Xmas.
Yeah it looks too futuristic for my taste. Don’t get me wrong it’ll still be underneath my tv but it’s a design that definitely doesn’t go well with my tv and the tv stand. First world problems but we complain about the way phones look the way MacBooks look.. We critique everything so why is this different. It looks like shit to me but again different strokes for different folks I guess. I’ll still be getting it of course.
As someone who has a PSVR on a headset stand alongside my other electronic components (my TVs are mounted) I have no problem with the PS5s aesthetics....
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Would prefer it on black though tbh.Mock-up black version.
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The controller is slick but the console looks a bit warped. Reminds me of Alienware.
That's $630 at current exchange rates - which would mean that the PS5 is over 50% more expensive than the PS4! Really really hard to see that. Every website I looked at estimates it at max around $500. That's USD. £500 would be absolutely shocking.
I dunno man I don’t like the shape. Of course I’m still gonna end up getting it but it’s just not aesthetically pleasing to me haha
I think £500 would be madness. Digital at least will be cheaper than that.
Consoles are always ugly.
I’ve set aside £1000 for a console and new 4K tv so hopefully that gets the job done!
On the topic of TVs, does anyone know of any good, yet affordable 4K TVs?
Yes. Panasonic GX800 is really good that’s decently priced.
Also I pretty much never look at my PS4 so I'm not too fussed at how it looks. Hopefully fits in my tv stand though.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...an-limited-playstation-5-output-in-first-year
Like I said a million times they going to limit production the first year hence why the higher price. They can drop it down the second year once they get parts for cheaper
Also pointless comparing it to PS4. This costs more to manufacture than PS4 did at launch.
And like I said earlier the PS4 pro is still going for £350 after four years. Do you think PS5 will just be £50 more expensive? Times have also changed. Back then phones cost £500 and now the same branded phones cost double that. Sony also wanted everyone off the PS3 echo system because the console was a massive loss and the free online. So they were always going to be aggressive with PS4.
Phil Spencer also touched on this saying they offering contracts for the console like they do with the other Xbox models.
Expect a higher price with limited launch for both.If you don’t preorder then be prepared to either bid for crazy money on eBay or wait. Even Nintendo are currently struggling with production, so a new console will be worse.
Switch is breaking records for this time of year due to COVID though and had crazy sales over Christmas. I can't remember if PS4 sold out on release or not - I guess it must have?
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/443535/switch-vs-ps4-vs-xbox-one-global-lifetime-salesapril-2020/
I mean, the PS4 (2013) was only slightly more at launch than the PS2 (2000). The PS3 (2007) was more expensive.
The only Sony console that didn't sell really well at launch was the PS3 and guess what, they sold that for nearly $200 more than the PS4!
It could be as expensive as you suggest, and that would be a bad move by Sony.
@Bojan11 you seemed to on top of news regarding gaming, have you heard if PS4 titles will be enhanced? I’d love to see what they can do with Red Dead Redemption 2 without that horrible checkerboard implementation. If Rockstar used VRS, it could potentially look absolutely stunning on consoles.
At the moment it's not even confirmed how many PS4 titles will play on PS5. Sony said they want most of them playing but they didn't say when. They said that most of the top 100 games will play at launch IIRC.
On the topic of R*, GTAV on Xbox One X plays the same as the standard version. So don't expect them to bother updating RDR2
Funny and sad.
Not really a true comparison though as they've had lots of new missions and things to do online.
Funny and sad.
That’s what I’m wondering, I know the games will be backwards compatible but as to whether they will be enhanced is another story. I’ll be disappointed if they’re not.
Yeah, and it’s a joke that they’re only enhancing GTAV for the next gen consoles. They could have at least added better anti aliasing as it looked horrible on 4K sets
Not everyone plays online though. Personally I like offline only in games like GTA and Red Dead.
Vice City and San Andreas added lots of new missions too.
Xbox one was £430 including VAT with it $500 in US but the pound is lower now, and took a bump down after regaining with covid19. Right now with VAT on top it's £480 if $500 in US. Expecting the discless version to hit ~£430 or maybe they can stretch to £400 and £450 respectively but I doubt it.
Will be interesting to see how £400+ consoles do, especially with XSX gamepass. PS3 was about £420-430 and slowed a lot after the initial high launch sales. XBO at £430 had poor UK sales but there was an alternative in both cases like the 360 much cheaper than PS3 and better performing multiplats and PS4 was more powerful and cheaper after a huge misstep from Microsoft. I still think £400+ is a bit too steep to track with PS4 sales for 1-2 years and expect to see a major revision with much less power hungry chips and sleeker designs.
The early adopter wants the power generally but this is the result, large boxes with high power consumption trying to keep up there with PC. Should help in the long run but with the neat Switch showing the way and previous consoles smaller and one always in the £300 range these could be dragging in sales a little after high launches.
Will be interesting to see how £400+ consoles do, especially with XSX gamepass. PS3 was about £420-430 and slowed a lot after the initial high launch sales. XBO at £430 had poor UK sales but there was an alternative in both cases like the 360 much cheaper than PS3 and better performing multiplats and PS4 was more powerful and cheaper after a huge misstep from Microsoft. I still think £400+ is a bit too steep to track with PS4 sales for 1-2 years and expect to see a major revision with much less power hungry chips and sleeker designs.
The early adopter wants the power generally but this is the result, large boxes with high power consumption trying to keep up there with PC. Should help in the long run but with the neat Switch showing the way and previous consoles smaller and one always in the £300 range these could be dragging in sales a little after high launches.
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True. They’re essentially giving us what PC players had since the game came out.
Funny and sad.
Minus the freedom to mod.
Anyone here post on Resetera? What a bunch of sensitive souls those mods are. They ban you for nothing!
From this very article you linked:
It's very, very, very unlikely to be $600 or more. Every single analyst excepts something around $500, with $549 being the highest I've seen, apart from your estimate.
That's still a massive (at least 25%) price increase over the PS4 launch. That makes sense as it indeed costs more to manufacture. But 50%? People call the $500 price "steep", "eye-watering" and such. $600 would be met with utter disbelief.
EDIT: That said, I'm not sure how UK prices are calculated. Maybe with VAT it will be much higher than a simple exchange from USD.
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I'm now just waiting for them to "clarify" that the Horizon thing is also DLC...
I'm not going to be buying the next gen console until GTA 6 is out. There's still plenty of games like Persona V, Last of Us II, The FF VII remake parts and Witcher 3 to keep me occupied for a couple of years. None of the games showcased last night are must buys for me.
No chance. That clearly stated Horizon II
I always saw the Spiderman game as a short game spinoff similar to Uncharted: Lost Legacy and Infamous: First Light
Ah, but that II isn't Roman numerals - it's just a divider. Yes.... that's what it is....
There's so much mis-information in this thread, I can't be arsed quoting everyone but that VGC article which says Spider-Man is just a 'remaster' is click-bait. If you read the quotes, there is nothing to be found on that front.
You didn't play Infamous:First Light, Uncharted Lost Legacy and said, oh these games are only remasters, these are standalone DLCs leveraging the previous tech. Same thing is with Spider-Man Miles Morales, but the difference being, they are building it around PS5, the lighting and texture in itself is a dead giveaway that, it is running on updated engine. Wait for DF to do their analysis, Sonys' shitty 1080p stream didn't do a good job of highlighting the details in many of the trailers.
The PS5 SoC has 2 dedicated BC modes to mimic PS4 logic, one is legacy mode, the other is pro mode. So, the PS5, can disable 9WGP (18CUs), downlock to 800 MHz to mimic PS4, or downclock to 911MHz to mimic PS4 Pro. So, imagine, if you boot a game like Driveclub on PS5, a game which didn't get any Pro patch, the SoC will view the code like PS4 and disable 9WGP and downclock to 800MHz to run it as it ran on PS4, same for a game like Uncharted 4, it got a Pro patch, so, it'll downclock to 911MHz and play like it did on a Pro.
^It is different from boost mode, which is designed to leverage the PS5 clocks to boost the performance. This is what Cerny was talking about when he spoke of Top 100 game thing, that in order to leverage PS5 clocks, they have to evaluate the code on game-by-game basis, the code which can't run on those speeds would need to patched by the devs.
Therefore, when sites like GB are writing about BC and Top 100 games, what they are actually talking about is Enhanced BC. The basic BC is built in the SoC itself, as it can mimic the logic of predecessors. So, save for select few from thousands of PS4 games. Expect all of them to work on PS5, just don't expect all of them to leverage the PS5 clocks. That would require more work from Sony and devs.
You didn't play Infamous:First Light, Uncharted Lost Legacy and said, oh these games are only remasters, these are standalone DLCs leveraging the previous tech. Same thing is with Spider-Man Miles Morales, but the difference being, they are building it around PS5, the lighting and texture in itself is a dead giveaway that, it is running on updated engine. Wait for DF to do their analysis, Sonys' shitty 1080p stream didn't do a good job of highlighting the details in many of the trailers.
This is the type of stuff I was talking about. I don't blame the poster, sites like GiantBomb are still running with only 100 PS4 games will be BC. And, much of that is Sony messing up the messaging initially.
The PS5 SoC has 2 dedicated BC modes to mimic PS4 logic, one is legacy mode, the other is pro mode. So, the PS5, can disable 9WGP (18CUs), downlock to 800 MHz to mimic PS4, or downclock to 911MHz to mimic PS4 Pro. So, imagine, if you boot a game like Driveclub on PS5, a game which didn't get any Pro patch, the SoC will view the code like PS4 and disable 9WGP and downclock to 800MHz to run it as it ran on PS4, same for a game like Uncharted 4, it got a Pro patch, so, it'll downclock to 911MHz and play like it did on a Pro.
^It is different from boost mode, which is designed to leverage the PS5 clocks to boost the performance. This is what Cerny was talking about when he spoke of Top 100 game thing, that in order to leverage PS5 clocks, they have to evaluate the code on game-by-game basis, the code which can't run on those speeds would need to patched by the devs.
Therefore, when sites like GB are writing about BC and Top 100 games, what they are actually talking about is Enhanced BC. The basic BC is built in the SoC itself, as it can mimic the logic of predecessors. So, save for select few from thousands of PS4 games. Expect all of them to work on PS5, just don't expect all of them to leverage the PS5 clocks. That would require more work from Sony and devs.
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