On a side note, Rooney would be a better James Bond than the last one. Look at that style.
On a side note, Rooney would be a better James Bond than the last one. Look at that style.
He was on the same salary at Everton so that should demonstrate that we weren’t getting value for money anymore. It was funny playing Derby in the cup though. I remember the narrative was this is lingards chance to win back a spot and Rooney played all over him. He was so class in his pomp. He sacrificed his own game and adapted so many times for the team. Stonewall Utd legend.Wazza is my favourite player ever so I am a bit biased. I just wish we could have kept him on a bit more, personally would have loved it if he retired with us but obviously he wanted to still try and play regular football, so it was always a difficult situation.
Then Liverpool got rid of him and put a much more player centred manager in charge...Paisley. The rest is history. Even 50 years ago the philosophy was the same; get the players on side. Sir Matt knew it tooI remember reading that Bill Shankly was the same but then that was a long time ago. Probably shouldn't manage in the style of someone from 60-odd years ago.
While we’re winning it’ll be quiet but it’ll change as soon as we drop points or lose.Taking a bit from Ole today, glad there’s some progress where this thread hasn’t turned into an Ole out vs Ole in debate...
Agree on the bolded however I do think Ole is tactically better than many give him credit for.
You can bring experienced tactical coaches in.
You can’t teach somebody man management, it’s pretty much a trait you have or you don’t.
It tends to come from being a decent person first and foremost, you rarely get a persons respect without that, then knowing what you want and what each player needs (an arm around them, a kick up the backside etc) to get you there.
He's not an oaf if that's what you think I am suggesting. Whether he's at United's level its open to debate. That's an extremely high level that few managers are able to reach. I also don't think its an argument that we need to debate. Even Sir Alex surrounded himself with good tactical people from the outside who could bring new ideas in. We can all agree that Ole (or any manager really whose not Pep) is nowhere near to Sir AlexYou are underestimating Ole as a tactical manager. His general record against top managers is good. That doesn't come from "good feels" but by understanding and exploiting tactical weaknesses in the opposition. Our problem comes mostly against very defensive teams where player quality in the final 3ed is the deciding factor along with some experience.
Yeah, I can't disagree with the wage problem, it's not logical to pay so much money to a player that is a squad option, even if he is the all-time goalscorer of our club. I just feel kind of sad how the club handled his departure but maybe Rooney was a bit at fault as well for not realising his own issues.He was on the same salary at Everton so that should demonstrate that we weren’t getting value for money anymore. It was funny playing Derby in the cup though. I remember the narrative was this is lingards chance to win back a spot and Rooney played all over him. He was so class in his pomp. He sacrificed his own game and adapted so many times for the team. Stonewall Utd legend.
Ask Diego Torres.. Where is logic in that? If they win, great. If they lose, he still can blame the ref. Even if they win, he still can say "we won despite the ref". Ridiculous story. People in their love/hate sometimes throw out any logic away
Was that the game where Herrera got sent off in the 1st half? Of course, Kante was going to dominate the midfield that game.In fairness it kind of was true. I remember Pogba getting absolutely dominated by Kante in a match (i think in an FA cup match) in his first season back at United and Jose said after the game that Pogba was the best player on the pitch, how brilliant he was etc when it really wasn't true. Kante dominated him. I felt Jose kept trying with Pogba and was trying to turn him into a different player but eventually lost patience.
btw I don't like Jose's style with man management at all and it looks as though his treatment of Dele and Bale at Spurs is similarly bad. I do think he tried with Pogba though.
You can pick a player and still be an absolute prick. Mourinho never took responsibilities during losses and would do the usual combination of throwing his players under the bus + repeat his resume and past glories so everybody understood the problem had, apparently, nothing to do with him.I really dislike Mourinho but that's not quite fair.
He picked Pogba even when Pogba was badly out of form. During that period he tried him in various positions, talked him up when he was clearly terrible. He gave Pogba every chance on the pitch.
But Mourinho ignoring players who aren't selected or injured is true. He's pretty much said it himself, that's his approach. Who knows why he does it, there never seems to be an upside to it.
He said that?Mourinho said he learnt the lessons necessary from his United experience...
He will sign an extension if no one offers him more money than us. Else, he will leave.With the recent resurgence in performances of Pogba, him being named captain in the last match (ahead of Bruno as well if I may add) and now this interview, where he praises Ole ( if only in context of contrast with Mourinho), I wouldn't be surprised if some things are happening behind the scene, and Pogba may sign a contract extending his stay here.
That's extremely poor research, then - if that is what he thought.He probably was hoping for a 6'3 physical stopper in midfield rather than a showman.
That sounds exactly like something Mourinho would think haha!But Phil Collins sang, "There's no need to be nice on the way up, 'cuz I'm not coming down!"
Not in terms of hairstyle tolerance.It sounds like Mourninho learned his management style from The Game by Neil Strauss. His preferred method of dealing with resistance is to neg his players. Ole's more of a sensitive metrosexual.
Love it! Pogba putting Mourinho in a bodybag. Fireworks about to startWhether he has outspoken or not, Jose threw multiple players to the wolves whilst managing here, not to mention he loved a good fit whilst he was a pundit. (Whole rolls Royce story) It's about time someone gave this dinosaur a lashing back. For too long has he gotten away with sly remarks and jibes towards people.
Go on Paul!
Yes, I'm sure you know more than a journalist who had access to the team during that campaign.. Where is logic in that? If they win, great. If they lose, he still can blame the ref. Even if they win, he still can say "we won despite the ref". Ridiculous story. People in their love/hate sometimes throw out any logic away
Come on.Yes, I'm sure you know more than a journalist who had access to the team during that campaign.
To clarify, the story Casillas AND Lassana Diara tell is that Mourinho's instructions were to shut up shop immediately and go for a 0-0 which would have seen them lose the tie given that they lost the first leg 2-0. It's the same story Diego Torres details.This isn’t even that bad in relation to Mourinho. There’s a story that he told the Madrid players to throw the second leg against Barcelona in the CL semi final in 2011 so he could blame the ref for them losing the first leg. Apparently that was what really made Casillas not be able to stand him anymore.
It's Casillas' story, pal It's literally from Iker Casillas.Come on.
Not a single player has confirmed that story. Some of those players have no love whatsoever for Mourinho.
It's a myth until some actual evidence is presented.
Yes. Casillas spoke up with Ramos who was vice captain and directly undermined Mourinho in front of the squad because he didn't feel that Mourinho had the club's interest in heart. They all followed what Casillas said and chose to go for it, ignoring Mourinho in the process.Whenever his team loses, it’s always his players or the ref. For the first one and a half seasons, it’s the ref, and after that, it’s the players. I was very surprised when I read about it in a book, but I also wouldn’t be surprised. Apparently, the only reason that game ended 1-1 was because if you remember correctly, Mourinho had a touch line ban for criticising the ref from the first leg thus didn’t travel to the stadium, so Casillas told the players to forget everything he said on the coach to the Camp Nou.
I've always thought it was just BS - including the part about particular players going against him.It's Casillas' story, pal It's literally from Iker Casillas.
It was all over AS directly from him. He gave several interviews. Mourinho had already suspected that Casillas was planting and leaking stories to the press prior to the 2014 Diego Torres book because Casillas' journalist girlfriend had team details that she was disclosing.I've always thought it was just BS - including the part about particular players going against him.
But if you can provide me with a link to a credible account of what happened, I will gladly concede that I've been wrong.
To be clear - I have always thought that the Casillas part of it was just...well, part of the BS story.
Rather a narcissist."Once I had a great relationship with Mourinho, everybody saw that, and the next day you don't know what happened. That's the strange thing I had with Mourinho and I cannot explain to you because even I don't know. So, yeah."
Mourinho might actually be bipolar.
I notice this with British people on a wholePeople acting as if he went on an aggressive rant. It was timid, yet effective.
‘ooo Ole won’t like this’
Give me a break.
But you do come across as extremely bitterJeez.
Who gives a rats you know what what he's won with France? I am neither french nor a PP fanboi. I only care about his ability to win PL/CL with United. Thats what we paid world class fee for, remember?
Sensationalist headlines happens in every country, in my opinion. I agree that it's silly, but I'm not sure it's any more true with Brits than it is with others.I notice this with British people on a whole
Pogba slams Jose, jose goes into meltdown, ole goes on a rant. All over the most timid of f things.
All pogba said was Jose ghost you when he doesn't want to play you while ole a least tells you good morning while he let's you rot on the bench. Cut to half the place talking about pogba with "explosive" interview as of pogba did a tell all exclusive witg Oprah
I agree she wasn’t desperate at all. It was an open question and I think he answered it humbly and discreetly. He’d already spoken positively about Ole’s man management.In what way does she seem absolutely desperate for him to rave about Ole?
Do you even think about things which you read? Or you just turn off your brain and believe in everything?Yes, I'm sure you know more than a journalist who had access to the team during that campaign.