Poll: Does Tiki-taka tick you off?
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That is absolutely unbe-fricking-lievable.
feck no.
I know what you mean, I've also been a neutral ever since I quit being an England fan, so much better that way. But don't you think its a bit over the top to judge a style of play on a match where the team has parked the bus? I mean, that's what everyone does against Spain in knock-outs. It would be like saying United plays crap football after watch and Bolton v United game at the Reebok when big Sam was in charge.
I'm judging Spain on the tournament so far, not just one game, and the only time i've found them pleasing on the eye is no surprise, when they've had a striker on the pitch (last half hour against Italy, and first hour against Ireland). I just find the mindset of a team that lines up without a striker totally depressing. Its bad enough for Scotland or Greece to do it, but not a team with the array of attacking talent Spain have. As i said in my earlier post, a few simple tweaks and they'd be just as hard to break down, but atleast look like they want to win a game, and not just dick around with the ball for 90 minutes.
The Spanish are fond of saying, repeatedly, that they play the game the right way. IMO, it's the exact opposite. When you have that much skill and can hold the ball as well as they do, it's almost a crime not to be more attacking. Or slightly attacking. Or, just pretending there's a goal at the other end of the pitch.
If I wanted to watch players pass the ball back and forth I'd just watch the pregame warm ups and turn the tv off.
Rinky-dinky, Tinky Winky
.Each team plays to their strengths and the end goal is to win. Also, this isn't a club tournament where supporters expect their teams to play in a certain way with the manager having the time and the funds to buy the players & coach them to play in the way that is appealing. Every Spanish supporter will be happy with a series of 1-0 wins.
Spain is not a top attacking side. As a training exercise, if you just asked them to attack against a defense who would give the ball back as soon as they gain possession and measure their ability based on goals scored per minute, they would be far behind several other top teams in the tournament.
They aren't a top defensive side. If they were the defending team in the training exercise giving the ball back to the offense as soon as they won it, they would concede more goals per minute than several of the top teams.
The one thing they are brilliant at is keeping possession which gives their opponents little chance to do anything on the pitch. They are setup to win by maximizing that strength - with 4 defenders and 6 midfielders who all track back and keep the ball well.
The lack of room, time, space, possession afforded to Benzema, Ribery etc. is likely to happen to the likes of Ronaldo, Nani and who ever Spain plays in the finals.
Spain is not a top attacking side. As a training exercise, if you just asked them to attack against a defense who would give the ball back as soon as they gain possession and measure their ability based on goals scored per minute, they would be far behind several other top teams in the tournament.
They aren't a top defensive side. If they were the defending team in the training exercise giving the ball back to the offense as soon as they won it, they would concede more goals per minute than several of the top teams.
The one thing they are brilliant at is keeping possession which gives their opponents little chance to do anything on the pitch. They are setup to win by maximizing that strength - with 4 defenders and 6 midfielders who all track back and keep the ball well.
The lack of room, time, space, possession afforded to Benzema, Ribery etc. is likely to happen to the likes of Ronaldo, Nani and who ever Spain plays in the finals.
This is quality.
If my country does it and wins..Yeah
As a neutral...i will well bored.
As a neutral...i will well bored.
Plech has pretty much summed it up.
Bores me to watch, but if it was United I suspect I wouldn't feel that way. I try to watch Barca but I can't stay awake, their La Liga opponents are typically so poor and try to attack them, it's madness.
I find it mind numbingly boring. Yesterday was the first match of this tournament that i switched off. Didn't watch most of the second half. I'm sorry but watching one team stroke the ball about taking hours to proceed towards the opposition goal bores the feck out of me.
Also for some reason people who do like it tend to be self rightous about it for some weird reason. If you don't like it you're apparently bitter or jealous.
Also for some reason people who do like it tend to be self rightous about it for some weird reason. If you don't like it you're apparently bitter or jealous.
How is it the "right" way to play football? Football is about scoring goals, but this tiki-taka is about possession. It's more of a defensive tactic than it is an offensive one given where the ball is most of the time. With that high of a possession stat, they should be scoring tons of goals. Instead, they keep the ball around the midfield line or behind for most of the game. It's not entertaining. It's reminiscent of the "four corners" offense in basketball where one team would score and then pass the ball around for the rest of the game before there was a shot clock.
I prefer a buccaneering United side to the current Spain side.
I prefer a buccaneering United side to the current Spain side.
I think it's weird for anyone to advocate any one way of playing football as "right".
Spain - Italy was one of the best and most entertaning games in the Euros so far. It's not true that Spain's style is boring per se. Much depends on the opposition and its willingnes to take risks. Croatia and France wanted to stiffle Spain without taking significant risks and the games became a bit dull.
This. There have been three phases to it.
Spain were fantastic in Euro 2008. In WC 2010, they weren't allowed to play well because their opponents were very defensive and it started looking ugly. The criticism of 2010 should've included the way the opponents lined up, few teams can open up teams intent on only not conceding.
Euro 2012 has been a shower of shit. The lack of a striker is holding them back big time. It's dull and tedious.
The biggest shame is that all this recent criticism of Spain means that's how they're going to be remembered by a lot of people, even though it's a team of wonderful players.
I dislike Vicente Del Bosque. I find his substitutions baffling.
Worst part is Del Bosque has been given an extension of 2 years to his contract. We will see the same shit at the next WC
feck tiki-taka.
Much prefer watching the Germans and their possession based game, but with added directness.
If you were a casual fan, you'd almost prefer to watch England over Spain(hey those long punts, at least lead to some goalmouth action) - ok that's probably not true Obviously it's great for Spain(and very effective), but it is tedious as hell to watch now.
*Watching Barca do it every other week, might be another reason why so many are fed up of it.
Much prefer watching the Germans and their possession based game, but with added directness.
If you were a casual fan, you'd almost prefer to watch England over Spain(hey those long punts, at least lead to some goalmouth action) - ok that's probably not true
Obviously it's great for Spain(and very effective), but it is tedious as hell to watch now.*Watching Barca do it every other week, might be another reason why so many are fed up of it.
feck spaniards. Over powered cnuts.
Find it really boring and i nearly switched off yesterday. I hope Portugal beat them, dont want the same shit on display in the final.
Unfortunately its highly effective.
Yep, the midfield literally does the attacking and the defending for the team.
Yes, but with a proper striker.
Spain's is boring tiki-taka.
Spain's is boring tiki-taka.
That would horrible. As it is, world cup 2010 was ruined by Spain for me. To see them involved all the way up till the final and hence to have so many snorefests would just kill what has, so far, been a brilliant tournament.
Tiki Taka doesn't.
Complete possession football does though.
Sorry, I just find it to be boring.
Complete possession football does though.
Sorry, I just find it to be boring.
Do you see Portugal beating Spain though? I dont. They dont have the midfield to compete and get Nani and Ronaldo into the game. It'l be another snoozefest with Spain scoring a goal or 2 i feel.
Chips and curry football > tika taka. They play some brilliant stuff, to be fair...and that's the level for the rest.
amazing Plech, I really like this line "With beauty we bore you to death."To blame only Spain for the boring games with Croatia and France would be stupid. Italy had a completely different approach vs Spain and the game was a joy to watch.
Some guys want to convince us that all Spain games are boring. But the first two games, vs Italy and Ireland, were good to watch. The game between Spain and Germany in 2010 was good as well. And if these teams play in the final, the game between them won't be even remotley as boring as the game last night. On the contrary, it would be quite good.
Some guys want to convince us that all Spain games are boring. But the first two games, vs Italy and Ireland, were good to watch. The game between Spain and Germany in 2010 was good as well. And if these teams play in the final, the game between them won't be even remotley as boring as the game last night. On the contrary, it would be quite good.
I agree. And that's the key part there. They neither have enough muscle nor the class in midfield to get Ronaldo and Nani into the game enough. If they do manage to get them into the game somehow they'll have a chance. But on the evidence of what we've seen so far in the competition their midfield need time and space to shine and they won't get it.
I think the problem is once they go one up, they just use their possession game as a defensive tactic. That is not much different than defending with 10 men once you score a goal and takes away from the greatness of the side. Imagine the great Brazilian sides of the past deciding to just feck about with the ball after taking the lead.
Barca's tik-taka is diffierent. Mostly due to Messi and also importantly due the intent to score more goals.
Their hope has to be Nani and Ronaldo earning free kicks in decent areas, and getting something from set pieces.
Ronaldo and Pepe are very good in the air, also with Postiga out injured, Almeida is another potential threat.
Tiki taka when played is the most beautiful football in the world IMHO.I remember the Barca-Arsenal match that ended 2-2 miraculously at the Emirates.
That day Barca left me gobsmacked, tbh the way the opponent plays impact the tiki-taka football.
Last night though, there were times in the second half where Spain had more spaces but their players didn't even wanna make incisive runs, they were just happy to bore us to death and it worked
That day Barca left me gobsmacked, tbh the way the opponent plays impact the tiki-taka football.
Last night though, there were times in the second half where Spain had more spaces but their players didn't even wanna make incisive runs, they were just happy to bore us to death and it worked
Or watching a boxer completely out box his opponent for 12 rounds without delivering a knockout blow... Must admit I can't help but admire Spain, sure they've not been as good as previous tournaments...this time around, but they and Barca have taken the game to a whole new level. When they're on song they make good teams look like a bunch of amateurs...or in some cases, teams seem to give up before stepping onto the pitch...a bit like Tyson's opponents looking well beaten before stepping in the ring back in 80s.
Germany are great though....can't help but love them.
A kin to Floyd Mayweather?
Spain are basically Barca without the cutting edge that is Messi and it shows. Barca are very good to watch, but Spain tend to bore the other team out. Blame must ofcourse be shared by the French too as they didnt show any intent even after going a goal down.
Triple tiki taki yawn. Dog yawn. Bigfoot yawn. Obsession at its finest yawn. Newsflash!!! . . . yawn.