The second you start ‘rating’ discrimination it’s a rather slippy slope. Sticks & stones is what I derive from your comments but words can be inflammatory in themselves. The rather aggressive nature of those messages could easily lead someone to feel comfortable escalating the issue.There's a difference between some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool, and actually going out looking to beat up/lynch somebody or abuse them for being Black/Asian etc.
Obviously these kids could well be 100% racist and full of hate, we won't know that unless we know them personally.
All I can say is from a similar situation I've had people I know say stupid things but they wouldn't ever look to hurt somebody or abuse them if given an opportunity. It's the same with Bullying in general, why do people think it's OK to discriminate against Red hair? or people overweight etc.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from.
Yes, I see the difference. One is racist hateful speech, one is racist hateful violence.There's a difference between some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool, and actually going out looking to beat up/lynch somebody or abuse them for being Black/Asian etc.
Obviously these kids could well be 100% racist and full of hate, we won't know that unless we know them personally.
All I can say is from a similar situation I've had people I know say stupid things but they wouldn't ever look to hurt somebody or abuse them if given an opportunity. It's the same with Bullying in general, why do people think it's OK to discriminate against Red hair? or people overweight etc.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from.
So you are saying words shouldn't be considered racist, only actions?There's a difference between some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool, and actually going out looking to beat up/lynch somebody or abuse them for being Black/Asian etc.
Obviously these kids could well be 100% racist and full of hate, we won't know that unless we know them personally.
All I can say is from a similar situation I've had people I know say stupid things but they wouldn't ever look to hurt somebody or abuse them if given an opportunity. It's the same with Bullying in general, why do people think it's OK to discriminate against Red hair? or people overweight etc.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from.
Sidebar. . .I dunno man, some of my friends have said some stupid shit on WhatsApp etc(not as bad as this, but close to the bone), and you know what, I tend to think there may be a little bit of racism hidden deep down.
Yeah, I'm as pasty white as it gets.Sidebar. . .
On this point. [I assume you’re ‘white’]. Have you challenged these ‘close to the bone’ comments &/or have they changed the way you see these people?
Only asking as I tend to think these comments happen in what people perceive as ‘safe spaces’, not just racial comments btw, misogynistic, sexual etc. can also be an issue.
Certainly contributed to it, especially in the US. But the fact they've got in to power has definitely empowered a certain kind of person.Let's not beat around the bush. The reason we have this government and the US had theirs is because both countries are full of racists. Not the other way round.
Yes it was on Snapchat, with black colleagues in the group.Yet again, I didn't say it wasn't racist. I am 100% agreeing. You clearly didn't read what I was saying.
This snapchat group is a closed group that nobody can access without an invite, it's certainly "behind closed doors". Would they talk like this on twitter? I doubt it.
What I am trying to say is people can say horrible things to be a troll, wind people up or just be mean without genuinely meaning it.
I think a good example is the John Terry incident with Anton Ferdinand. We all know the language he used against him, but his black team mates said he treated them like a brother with no prejudice, and no hint of racism.
Why did he choose to use a racial slur to insult him? Is it just human nature to be as insulting as possible when angry?
This is probably a discussion for another thread anyway.
I live about 40 miles away. It's a scummy shithole in a number of parts.A few posts about not being surprised it’s Portsmouth. Is Portsmouth a racist town? I’ve never been but always saw it as some shitty beach town
I think Portsmouth might wash their hands of them but I can see them still having a career in the game. Let's remember that Lee Bowyer and Jonathon Woodgate were done for actual racist violence but they still played prem football, national team football and both are managers now.If true, they can say good bye to the career. You can criticise players all you want but writing like they did is just high level of stupidity.
Facts.Racism is very complex in its forms and its origins. Racism is quite a broad term, we can be speaking about systemic cultural racism, or intimate personal racism. However what racism is, at its very core, is binary. You're either racist or you aren't. If what someone says is a 'little bit racist', or if a society 'isn't as racist as before' its still racist. 1% racist, is racist. It doesn't matter if its just 'some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool' - they have internalised racist rhetoric and are using it in a vicious manner.
Racism is oddly a more difficult issue to understand today compared to the past. Most people with racist tendencies don't believe they're racist. At least in the past racists were racists and proud of it. Now you have people who have biases, they interact differently with PoC, they take issue with anti-racist movements and shroud it in some misunderstanding of marxism, they vote to enact racist policies, they enjoy 'dark humour, but they dont meeean it', they go on forums saying 'well that's not like 100% racist'. Racism and racists are endemic, but harder to qualify, harder to expunge from society. Most racists now, would be horrified by violence against PoC, but my word will they take any opportunity to criticise them for 'asking for too much'. We've ripped down the posters of racism, but now we're trying to scrape of the fecking adhesive, and that takes far far longer.
And come on, don't try and equate racism with bullying. Yes we shouldn't be discriminating people based on their hair colour or their weight (I mean people don't think that's ok anymore look at the body positivity movement). But that's not the same as what these academy kids said. And to think it is is quite laughable.
I have some small advice for you, no matter how great or small you think a racist act is, maybe don't try and excuse it. It isn't a good look. I'd perhaps just keep to not understanding the offside rule as your contribution to this forum.
I get your point but these are not that young and their actions are not some mild insults with racist connotations; it is vile stuff. They are old enough to understand what they have done is racist, especially as racisim within football couldn't be more high profile. There is no excuse.There's a difference between some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool, and actually going out looking to beat up/lynch somebody or abuse them for being Black/Asian etc.
Obviously these kids could well be 100% racist and full of hate, we won't know that unless we know them personally.
All I can say is from a similar situation I've had people I know say stupid things but they wouldn't ever look to hurt somebody or abuse them if given an opportunity. It's the same with Bullying in general, why do people think it's OK to discriminate against Red hair? or people overweight etc.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from.
Oh 100% and i'm not trying to excuse it, they deserve everything they get coming to them.I get your point but these are not that young and their actions are not some mild insults with racist connotations; it is vile stuff. They are old enough to understand what they have done is racist, especially as racisim within football couldn't be more high profile. There is no excuse.
Same for me. Either we are getting old or the younger generation getting more stupid. Also @Damien , what does doxxing mean?I don't understand what they're actually talking about. Do young people not talk in sentences any more?
I'm reading it as though they're speculating on what the social media reaction will be to it, rather than their own opinions.
But like I said, i can't understand and I'm probably wrong.
They can be true but the question are they really both true? What is true is that racism is certainly less acceptable in mainstream public forums, both in person, like workplaces, and on large online forums like Redcafe. But is the number of racists really dwindling or are they simply quiet about on public forums but then release their true views when they believe they are among like-minded people? I think the latter might be true. I've certainly seen it. Someone from my high school was a massive racist back then. He is currently a California Highway Patrol officer (Don't worry @Skizzo, he is down in the San Diego area). Has he grown less racist? Not from what I saw his friends posting on Facebook several years ago, but his language has changed to become more 'politically correct', something he and his ilk bitch about a lot.These two things can simultaneously be true:
1. There a lot less people (including younger people) who are racist now than there was in the past.
2. Lots of people are racist
Doxxing is revealing someone's personal identity and information online.Same for me. Either we are getting old or the younger generation getting more stupid. Also @Damien , what does doxxing mean?
That’s definitely possible.I don't understand what they're actually talking about. Do young people not talk in sentences any more?
I'm reading it as though they're speculating on what the social media reaction will be to it, rather than their own opinions.
But like I said, i can't understand and I'm probably wrong.
Yes. I live between Southampton and Portsmouth and between the two, Portsmouth is easily the less diverse, more illiberal and intolerant. Being a naval base doesn't help.Is Portsmouth a racist town?
At least until the n-word and monkey emojis appear.That’s definitely possible.
There's no or..Same for me. Either we are getting old or the younger generation getting more stupid. Also @Damien , what does doxxing mean?
Portsmouth is the worst out of the two.Yes. I live between Southampton and Portsmouth and between the two, Portsmouth is easily the less diverse, more illiberal and intolerant. Being a naval base doesn't help.
Did you open the full pic? Hard to say what Kristian means, but Dan and Archie are pretty clear-cut.That’s definitely possible.
Horrible little cnuts. For some reason it doesn’t surprise me with Portsmouth, that part of the country has to be one of the most middle England white shitholes around
Some strange comments, and generalisations floating about.A few posts about not being surprised it’s Portsmouth. Is Portsmouth a racist town? I’ve never been but always saw it as some shitty beach town
... This wasn't a serious post, was it?why is sancho considered black? for example. I always considered black to be players like Pogba, kante, Baloteli, but not someone like Dani Alves. Cristiano tries hard to get that tan, sancho has it all natural.
You want a football club to go bankrupt because a few idiots in their youth team are posting nonsense?I read this in his voice & found it far more funny than I should have.
As for Portsmouth, I hope they go bankrupt.
But Portsmouth isn't a sleepy Hampshire town. It is one of the most deprived cities in the UK.Some strange comments, and generalisations floating about.
If it was the BNP traditional stomping grounds like some of the north towns you could see it, but not some sleepy Hampshire town.
It's just a sign that this sort of underground thinking is everywhere right now. Probably always has been, but things make the news a lot easier now with instant sharing of stuff.
In an alternate universe, perhaps.That’s definitely possible.
Not really. It could easily be interpreted in that way. Especially when you know they have black/mixed race friends in the chat. If anything, that’s the more likely alternative. The “death threats immediately” being the message that most obviously fits this scenario.In an alternate universe, perhaps.
Interested by your opinion on that, so I had a little scroll around google.But Portsmouth isn't a sleepy Hampshire town. It is one of the most deprived cities in the UK.
Genuine question: Have you ever been to Portsmouth?Some strange comments, and generalisations floating about.
If it was the BNP traditional stomping grounds like some of the north towns you could see it, but not some sleepy Hampshire town.
It's just a sign that this sort of underground thinking is everywhere right now. Probably always has been, but things make the news a lot easier now with instant sharing of stuff.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Of course there are different levels of racism. Just like sexism. One guy tells a mean joke about women’s driving skills, the other one rapes women. Are they equally sexist?Racism is very complex in its forms and its origins. Racism is quite a broad term, we can be speaking about systemic cultural racism, or intimate personal racism. However what racism is, at its very core, is binary. You're either racist or you aren't. If what someone says is a 'little bit racist', or if a society 'isn't as racist as before' its still racist. 1% racist, is racist. It doesn't matter if its just 'some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool' - they have internalised racist rhetoric and are using it in a vicious manner.
Racism is oddly a more difficult issue to understand today compared to the past. Most people with racist tendencies don't believe they're racist. At least in the past racists were racists and proud of it. Now you have people who have biases, they interact differently with PoC, they take issue with anti-racist movements and shroud it in some misunderstanding of marxism, they vote to enact racist policies, they enjoy 'dark humour, but they dont meeean it', they go on forums saying 'well that's not like 100% racist'. Racism and racists are endemic, but harder to qualify, harder to expunge from society. Most racists now, would be horrified by violence against PoC, but my word will they take any opportunity to criticise them for 'asking for too much'. We've ripped down the posters of racism, but now we're trying to scrape of the fecking adhesive, and that takes far far longer.
And come on, don't try and equate racism with bullying. Yes we shouldn't be discriminating people based on their hair colour or their weight (I mean people don't think that's ok anymore look at the body positivity movement). But that's not the same as what these academy kids said. And to think it is is quite laughable.
I have some small advice for you, no matter how great or small you think a racist act is, maybe don't try and excuse it. It isn't a good look. I'd perhaps just keep to not understanding the offside rule as your contribution to this forum.
Regularly.Genuine question: Have you ever been to Portsmouth?
A few corrections. Most racists pretend to be horified by violence against minorities, they pretend to not know that they are racist, they pretend to not be racist when they aren't in their personal circles. They essentially learned how to be racist in a society that widely doesn't appreciate racism.Racism is very complex in its forms and its origins. Racism is quite a broad term, we can be speaking about systemic cultural racism, or intimate personal racism. However what racism is, at its very core, is binary. You're either racist or you aren't. If what someone says is a 'little bit racist', or if a society 'isn't as racist as before' its still racist. 1% racist, is racist. It doesn't matter if its just 'some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool' - they have internalised racist rhetoric and are using it in a vicious manner.
Racism is oddly a more difficult issue to understand today compared to the past. Most people with racist tendencies don't believe they're racist. At least in the past racists were racists and proud of it. Now you have people who have biases, they interact differently with PoC, they take issue with anti-racist movements and shroud it in some misunderstanding of marxism, they vote to enact racist policies, they enjoy 'dark humour, but they dont meeean it', they go on forums saying 'well that's not like 100% racist'. Racism and racists are endemic, but harder to qualify, harder to expunge from society. Most racists now, would be horrified by violence against PoC, but my word will they take any opportunity to criticise them for 'asking for too much'. We've ripped down the posters of racism, but now we're trying to scrape of the fecking adhesive, and that takes far far longer.
And come on, don't try and equate racism with bullying. Yes we shouldn't be discriminating people based on their hair colour or their weight (I mean people don't think that's ok anymore look at the body positivity movement). But that's not the same as what these academy kids said. And to think it is is quite laughable.
I have some small advice for you, no matter how great or small you think a racist act is, maybe don't try and excuse it. It isn't a good look. I'd perhaps just keep to not understanding the offside rule as your contribution to this forum.
Ah. I didn’t see the whole thing. Didn’t click on tweet in OP so didn’t see any messages after “death threats incoming”. Still blows my mind that anyone could say this in a racially mixed group chat. Which included black team mates they’re going to see the next day. So fecking weird."3 black men emojis"
"feck the n*****s absolute cnuts"
"3 monkey emojis"
What is this Snapchat chat really about?
