no surprises there from the Pompey lot. I would never play with them again if I was a player
Portsmouth youth players allegedly racially abuse England players in group chat
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If true then I hope the vile little cnuts enjoy their trip to the job centre when old enough.
Surely this isn't a genuine question.
Jesus wept this is some shit.
I think it comes back to bullying and how those who are dominantly aggressive and arrogant always create a negative environment for everyone else. Most kids haven't developed the mental fortitude to go against the grain and, being as sympathetic as I can, it's just about the last thing they want because 'social shunning' can be a huge issue for them individually. Often it's just easier to play the game and fit in, as sad as that sounds.
This is why bullying - and by extension severe forms of it like racism - needs to be quelled at the root. It encourages lots of negative behaviour that can spiral.
Portsmouth, the club, have done the right thing here by calling attention to it. Hopefully the perpetrators will be better educated so it can be disempowered.
Really though, when top dog leaders create this type of environment, you will almost certainly get this type of problem in return (at work, people call it a toxic environment; in society, we call it systematic discrimination).
This is why bullying - and by extension severe forms of it like racism - needs to be quelled at the root. It encourages lots of negative behaviour that can spiral.
Portsmouth, the club, have done the right thing here by calling attention to it. Hopefully the perpetrators will be better educated so it can be disempowered.
Really though, when top dog leaders create this type of environment, you will almost certainly get this type of problem in return (at work, people call it a toxic environment; in society, we call it systematic discrimination).
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There's a difference between some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool, and actually going out looking to beat up/lynch somebody or abuse them for being Black/Asian etc.
Obviously these kids could well be 100% racist and full of hate, we won't know that unless we know them personally.
All I can say is from a similar situation I've had people I know say stupid things but they wouldn't ever look to hurt somebody or abuse them if given an opportunity. It's the same with Bullying in general, why do people think it's OK to discriminate against Red hair? or people overweight etc.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from.
The sad thing is that this isn’t surprising anymore given how prevalent this is in society, bollocks to redemption too, I hope their careers are in tatters
Some advice - take on board, ignore, your call.
Be careful what you post and when. Also, not all questions need posting on the Caf (or even asking at all), do your own research.
Being fairly local to the area and also having played for the Portsmouth academy as a child, this doesn’t surprise me with the class of local down “Pompey”.
Vile pricks.
that's basically racism in a nutshell and you still don't get itEvery child from a very young age knows exactly what they can't say as its only almost every platform available.
No one can say oh I didn't know that was racist or I thought that was acceptable.
Even joking around with friends that language is totally unacceptable.
If proved it was them they should just be sacked, if it was a normal job and you got caught saying that you'd be fired.
I'm sure if this happens they'll learn from it and hopefully it'll stop people posting this rubbish.
No one can say oh I didn't know that was racist or I thought that was acceptable.
Even joking around with friends that language is totally unacceptable.
If proved it was them they should just be sacked, if it was a normal job and you got caught saying that you'd be fired.
I'm sure if this happens they'll learn from it and hopefully it'll stop people posting this rubbish.
These two things can simultaneously be true:
1. There a lot less people (including younger people) who are racist now than there was in the past.
2. Lots of people are racist
Not a lot shocks me to be honest, but this has.
They are young footballers, learning football, who play and have played against black players, these tweets are shocking and will have repercussions for a long time for all of them involved.
Portsmouth have to sack them and immediately.
They are young footballers, learning football, who play and have played against black players, these tweets are shocking and will have repercussions for a long time for all of them involved.
Portsmouth have to sack them and immediately.
Racism is very complex in its forms and its origins. Racism is quite a broad term, we can be speaking about systemic cultural racism, or intimate personal racism. However what racism is, at its very core, is binary. You're either racist or you aren't. If what someone says is a 'little bit racist', or if a society 'isn't as racist as before' its still racist. 1% racist, is racist. It doesn't matter if its just 'some young immature kids mouthing off trying to look cool' - they have internalised racist rhetoric and are using it in a vicious manner.
Racism is oddly a more difficult issue to understand today compared to the past. Most people with racist tendencies don't believe they're racist. At least in the past racists were racists and proud of it. Now you have people who have biases, they interact differently with PoC, they take issue with anti-racist movements and shroud it in some misunderstanding of marxism, they vote to enact racist policies, they enjoy 'dark humour, but they dont meeean it', they go on forums saying 'well that's not like 100% racist'. Racism and racists are endemic, but harder to qualify, harder to expunge from society. Most racists now, would be horrified by violence against PoC, but my word will they take any opportunity to criticise them for 'asking for too much'. We've ripped down the posters of racism, but now we're trying to scrape of the fecking adhesive, and that takes far far longer.
And come on, don't try and equate racism with bullying. Yes we shouldn't be discriminating people based on their hair colour or their weight (I mean people don't think that's ok anymore look at the body positivity movement). But that's not the same as what these academy kids said. And to think it is is quite laughable.
I have some small advice for you, no matter how great or small you think a racist act is, maybe don't try and excuse it. It isn't a good look. I'd perhaps just keep to not understanding the offside rule as your contribution to this forum.
Exactly what I thought.
I think this year proved racism isn't a vastly monocultural countries' problem but is as prevalent in progressive, multicultural ones.
Sickening given how many black people there are in England. And that's over a fecking peno missed!
Someone already mentioned 4chan. I wonder if there are kids nowadays who are outrageously racist in an almost ironic/edgy way? Trying to shock people for laughs, while expecting nobody to take them seriously. Which is why messages like that might appear in a group chat amongst a racially mixed group of (presumably) friends.
Still grim though. Must make the black/mixed race kids who are constantly exposed to this stuff feel like shit.
I agree
I agree the burden of proof should be on the person who made the statement. However that was not me and proof was not provided.
Agreed
Where to start with this one.
Where have I excused it? I've stated many times that it is clearly 100% racist.
Bringing that point about the offside goal just shows you come across as somebody that cannot have a discussion with people that don't agree with your POV. I'll contribute wherever I like and not seek your approval
What exactly is the issue you don't understand here? can you hand on heart say you or your friends have never said anything behind closed doors that you would regret?
God help us all.
I'll say it again for the people that cannot read - I am not condoning their actions.
Please feck off with the whatabouterry.
These players didn’t say these things behind closed doors anyway (still would be racist if they did) - they said it in a group chat which included black peers…
Somebody said laughing at overweight people is wrong. Well, it's generally wrong to bully people but isn't it less wrong to laugh at fat people than bald guys?
Good amount of fat people are fat because they chose to be fat. Even if they have 'fat' genes they can be overcome it by diet/training. Bald guys are bald because they have such genes and they can do pretty much nothing about it.
Not that it's serious as racism of course, or that I laugh at fat people but I just find it illogical.
Good amount of fat people are fat because they chose to be fat. Even if they have 'fat' genes they can be overcome it by diet/training. Bald guys are bald because they have such genes and they can do pretty much nothing about it.
Not that it's serious as racism of course, or that I laugh at fat people but I just find it illogical.
Are you suggesting all racists are poor people who haven't got jobs? Cretin, try educating yourself before making stupid blanket statements.
On this news itself though, absolutely shocking, and I doubt any sort of "educational" seminar will help these "kids" really - unfortunately racism is a learned trait, and wherever they've picked it up from they're obviously in agreement with it as they're old enough to know what's right and wrong.
How old are those kids?
You're excusing them of their racism, by saying they themselves may not be 100% racist and equating it with your mates saying things behind closed doors etc. No, currently they are racist, however yes they may grow up and learn to not be racist. It doesn't matter your intentions, but calling for someone to be lynched and using the n-word makes you a 100% unadulterated racist.Where have I excused it? I've stated many times that it is clearly 100% racist.
Bringing that point about the offside goal just shows you come across as somebody that cannot have a discussion with people that don't agree with your POV. I'll contribute wherever I like and not seek your approval
And I'll remind you that every single person who read that thread disagreed with you. Sorry disagree is the wrong word as that implies that opinion could come into it. Everyone knew you were wrong, yet even when faced with evidence and 100% of responses arguing against you, you still stuck to your position. Perhaps that implies that you might have an issue with discussion.
Not sure thats true at all.
We all have some level of bias. Obviously using the n word in any context or if you're particularly slow in a derogotary manner in a public group then you're clearly distinctly racist. I think part of combating racism requires you to recognise your own, less severe biases and not letting them effect how you treat someone, giving them a chance to prove you wrong basically.
I think i agree with the a lot of the post otherwise. Maybe i would be less critical of the other poster, different behaviour is normalised for different people. He can be wrong without being malicious.
In terms of these players and Portsmouth you'd be suspicious of the environment where they thought they'd get away with that.
It really is sad that you needed to explain this but well done for doing so.
The fact that some on here are giving excuses for the post - "oh we've all said somethings we have regretted" - or some bull, is vile and disgusting. I personally have absolutely zero tolerance for racism of any sort. Zero. You lot should hang your head in shame.
A few posts about not being surprised it’s Portsmouth. Is Portsmouth a racist town? I’ve never been but always saw it as some shitty beach town
Let's not beat around the bush. The reason we have this government and the US had theirs is because both countries are full of racists. Not the other way round.
And to the people wondering why the black players didn't flare up. I have been in that situation when I was a lot younger. You just want to get along and not be seen as a trouble maker. That feeling makes you take a lot of shit you should not take.
This is a great post.
It’s mental that the onus should be put on them, the victims. It’s an undercurrent that goes on a lot where victims of racism are both blamed for it, and expected to be the ones who make change happen
This is all off topic but I wouldn't say it's less wrong to laugh at fat people than bald people. Reason being that although overweight people 'could' do something about it, the reality is that it's often incredibly difficult due to motivational, mental, and genuine biological constraints. E.g. some people will continue to put on weight even whilst eating a "healthy" diet/portion size that would make someone else lose weight, purely because their body type stores more fat. It's mentally demoralising when people around them eat more, and maybe even exercise less, but don't put on weight like they do. So to then be laughed at for being fat because they 'could' do something when (in my experience) most overweight people are trying would only get them down mentally and most likely make them take a step backwards.
Anyway, off topic, just make sure we are kind to people, because although being 'fat' may not be 100% genetics (like being bald) it's also almost exclusively not a life choice.
Yet again, I didn't say it wasn't racist. I am 100% agreeing. You clearly didn't read what I was saying.
This snapchat group is a closed group that nobody can access without an invite, it's certainly "behind closed doors". Would they talk like this on twitter? I doubt it.
What I am trying to say is people can say horrible things to be a troll, wind people up or just be mean without genuinely meaning it.
I think a good example is the John Terry incident with Anton Ferdinand. We all know the language he used against him, but his black team mates said he treated them like a brother with no prejudice, and no hint of racism.
Why did he choose to use a racial slur to insult him? Is it just human nature to be as insulting as possible when angry?
This is probably a discussion for another thread anyway.
Being racist isn't just about beating people or abusing them in the streets, if you're pals with people that are saying horrendous shit about other races, I'd be pretty sure that if you put them in a position where they could exercise some form of power(as a hiring manager in a job, for example), that would shine through. People don't just say these things while feeling the complete opposite way, that makes no sense.
To use a racial slur is to other and demean someone based on historical oppression usually, the act itself is racist, thus the perpetrators are racist by default
I read this in his voice & found it far more funny than I should have.
As for Portsmouth, I hope they go bankrupt.