No it's not, that's not where I was going with the question either. I just wanted to know if you knew the place.
It's certainly not deprived in terms of any list either.
Portsmouth youth players allegedly racially abuse England players in group chat
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It's certainly not deprived in terms of any list either.
Yikes! I’m singing in the Cathedral for a week in August.
Paulsgrove used to have an awful reputation 30+ years ago.
Maybe not near the top but both Portsmouth and Southampton are certainly much more deprived than the rest of Hampshire. I have not seen more recent data, but both were in the top 20% most deprived local authority areas (based upon the multiple deprivation index) back in 2010 when I last used the data.
Their comments wouldn’t be out of place in a backwoods South Carolina Klan gathering.
I hope you understand where I’m coming from.
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what is racist about what i said? asking why mix race is considered black, or just talking about race. I am sorry but the media, especially american media does promote a lot the word black. Saying that a black guy is black is racist? I always thought that it must be malicious harm intent behind the words. Many identify or call mixed as such and not black.that's basically racism in a nutshell and you still don't get it
when western countries keep voting for racists. homophobes and almost outright fascists then these sort of people are emboldened to say whatever vile shit they want.
You should maybe have not used the word tan.
I've been down there quite a few times over the years yes.
Certainly enough to realise it's nowhere on the scale of areas of London, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle etc.
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You've equated someone's natural skin tone with someone getting a tan
As I said many times previously I don't condone their words at all.
There is a lot of work to do, whether people are clueless by default or genuinely evilYou've equated someone's natural skin tone with someone getting a tan
My point being: they’re racists.
I don’t care that they’re teenagers. I teach teenagers in South Carolina. They can be just as racist as the adults.
Are the equally sexist? No. Are they both sexist. Yes. My point goes against people saying 'oh, he's not really sexist he just makes mean spirited jokes about women'. No he is really a sexist. 1% or 100% sexist, you're still a sexist. It isn't like juice.
That should go without saying, you don't somehow turn racist at 18 or 21.
I don't think there's an excuse for being that clueless tbh.
Did… did you just pull out some Star Wars philosophy in a thread about real world racism being seen?
I called out several of my friends on misogynistic crap they spout (I’m a male). Invariably they’re defensive but I’ve noticed they stopped using that kind of language.
Mind you, this can mean one of two things. They either were convinced and changed, or more likely (sadly), they just don’t say that stuff when I am around. If it is the latter, I’m not really sure if there was a point? I don’t know.
You would think
I should add that instead of giving them a pass because they are young, people should take it seriously because at their age there is still hope to reshape their minds.
In 2021, I defo agree with you
@macheda14 you have made some good posts here.
I think he may have originally started off asking "why are mixed race people called black", as in, Obama is half Kenyan, half white, so why is he called the first black president? The answer being the "one drop of blood" rule.
Where he lost everyone was the tan comment, but the original half of the question, for someone who is ignorant of the civil rights struggles, does have some validity.
Extreme cluelessness like that makes me suspect tbh. Like people try to genuinely ask a question with ulterior motives.
Regarding mixed people being considered black, my experience is that it's generally the case. Rarely have anyone considered me mixed until they see my mother.
I like to draw out those motives for everyone to see. Always call out a racist, they'll make themselves look stupid.
I don’t think this will help our case. Labeling everyone racist who ever said something questionable will make them less sympathetic. It won’t educate them. They will feel angry they will think you are unfair and even if they had good intentions they won’t be able to help you if alienate them.
They do it once, get called out, realize their perceptions were wrong and change their way of thinking. Or we could ignore it and allow them to carry on thinking that way.
Most people don't want to be bad people.
Indeed. No way was he just merely asking an innocent question there.
Or...they could instead take the less ignorant route and realise what they were being WAS racist and then attempt to genuinely change themselves as they now know it's wrong?
I mean if you make a mistake, but then push back on it, you surely are now willfully not accepting responsibility?
I get you, it’s a difficult one because ‘people with biases’ aren’t always simply ‘bad people’, they can have a multitude of good characteristics but blind spots to things.
I believe most friendship groups would shatter if people were truly held accountable by their mates.
I’ve had to tell a few lads that have sent pictures/made comments in the past that it isn’t clever. I too suspect they just don’t send the images/make the comments to me anymore, not that they’ve changed intrinsically.
This was taken with the exact amount of disrespect intended, you shouldn’t caveat your thoughts.
I want an institution to go bankrupt that incubated [to whatever extent] this behaviour.
I’ve already gone at the ‘few idiots’, ‘few bad apples’ tag line in other threads but simply put, parts of that club [including but not exclusively a club whatsapp group] are a ‘safe space’ for these individuals - so yes, bankruptcy is a kindness.
Give the benefit of the doubt to the club by all means but young minds are generally shaped [in part] by the adults around them & I’d suspect they spend a lot of their time around adults at the club.
I find most people blaming ‘a few idiots’ in these instances don’t generally get the gravitas of racism. No disrespect, of course.
Braindead scrotes. That's all they are.
Absolutely agree.
Sounds logical but many people don’t work this way. They don’t want to feel guilty. When you make them feel guilty they get angry instead and don’t wnt to listen to you. Maybe it would be advisable to be a litte more forgiving. That would win you more supporters. Maybe you were born in a perfect place to a perfect family who never had any stereotypes but most of the people still grow up surrounded by stereotypes. And it takes years to make the understand and realize their own mistakes. If you want to educate them maybe you shouldn’t call them racist straightaway.
How do you make someone understand their mistake, if you don't name the mistake and just forgive that unnamed mistake? What you are suggesting is enabling poor behaviour.
We tell my 7 year old her "behaviour is stubborn", not she "is stubborn". You can call out a racist remark by calling it what it is, a racist remark. That's not calling someone racist. It's like here, criticize the post, not the poster
I'd argue at any age that is possible, but definitely for these kids.
All this talk of careers being over and clubs suffering doesn't sit well with me. However, that doesn't mean that I don't think the whole system there shouldn't be scrutinised and that these kids shouldn't be made to understand what they've done by explaining exactly what they are and how to change.
What's your answer then?
You can name it just be nice and understanding. ‘I get what you mean but using that word is not correct.’ Just don’t call everyone racist. Many people have good intention but bad upbringing.
That’s very good, exactly what I meant. It’s crucial to stay friendly. And that was my fifth post for today, goodnight.
Thought the same briefly but i dont think the black players at the club should have to deal with them further. Education to understand how intolerable their actions were and move them on elsewhere, they'd be on thin ice but could recover their reputation.
I don’t know. I posted the below in a different thread, then deleted as it went waaaay off topic.
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There’s a weird thing at work in some of these private places. ‘Safe’ spaces can exist online and in real life.
It’s awful and weird to say, but in a small and socially accepting circle, racial jokes can be funny. Racist jokes are not.
A few years back I got my hair cut in Deptford, South East London. Walked in, sat down. 10 people rolled in after me, got a trim and left. I eventually found my voice and grumbled. “Mans found a voice now” “Mans chirping up” “White boy thinks he should go next”. The atmosphere was cool, as long as I was. When I got in the chair, the cut was good but good lord the neck finish was pain. Immediately “White boy skin tearing up. He’s bleeding. He’s crying. Look at him”.
That whole scene is tinged in race, but it wasn’t oppressive and it wasn’t mean. We had a solid time and I went back a few times until I moved. All visits from then on were just normal.
If you move that whole thing, thematically, online…. Trouble. I think there’s a whole world that I don’t understand as an older millennial. There are generations of people that see no difference between Snapchat and the Pub.
I’m sure as Fcuk not condoning the behaviour. But I am willing to try and understand how young people speak to each other in these places they probably deem ‘safe’. Lots of the language in these screenshots is abhorrent. But lots of it is just how people talk in social circles. It can read as disgusting but it is a little problematic to just tar and feather all involved.
Edit : Obviously using the Portsmouth screenshots as my example.
TL/DR - Not all Racial content is racist. People don’t moderate beliefs. I think sometimes it’s just the equivalent of not swearing around your parents. Or not using slang in a workplace. It’s moderation of your voice as much as anything else. It’s a really nuanced problem and we should acknowledge that as a bare minimum.