Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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I’m sure everyone will agree that this statue is history and deserves to remain....
 

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Hopefully the local council will not react by taking it down, but given the plinth was empty maybe the people of Bristol could get the chance to approve or disapprove.
 

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I guess now there will be a fight to keep it up there. Surely Brexit Britain and the Tory party with its racist and fascist inclinations, aren't going to be happy with the radical, socialist connotations, not to mention the figure herself.
 

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The daily mail comments section on the article about the new statue do not disappoint if anyone wants a laugh.
 

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Oh they are triggered.





 

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That statue is an utter joke. People have disappeared right up their own arses now.
 

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It very obviously means something. It's all about meaning surely?
It hopefully means the turning point in true equality.
It's far from irrelevant. Just flick up a few posts and watch that noose video ffs.
I don't think it achieves anything. It's all ego stroking. There's no easy fix. Ripping down old statues nobody gave a shit about does nothing. It serves only to divide further - the racists will become more entrenched, and everyone else will think "yep, basically already agreed with that".
 

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Not exactly a surprise, but hope they can find a decent home for the statue.
You can't just go around tearing statues down and then putting your own one up. Obviously the council have to do the right thing but at least people who are alive today will get to discuss what should go there and get to decide what should be celebrated.

Bound to stir up the right wingers and out and out racists but even if it has been provocative and either kept discussion or thought going for a day or so then it has achieved something very valuable.
 

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We have slavers and gammon cnuts littering our plinths the length and breadth of this island. I'm betting that the British working class, women and other non-gammon cnuts weren't consulted when they were erected. Rip that shit out by the roots and let's have something that represents decency decorate our streets for once.
 

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We have slavers and gammon cnuts littering our plinths the length and breadth of this island. I'm betting that the British working class, women and other non-gammon cnuts weren't consulted when they were erected. Rip that shit out by the roots and let's have something that represents decency decorate our streets for once.
Let's start by removing british named streets on commonwealth countries.
 

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IMO, the thing about these statues of disreputable types is that their presence celebrates, consciously or not, a 'victory' over ordinary folk. Not content with taking the best that this country and others have to offer; not content with centuries of ruling and profiting by fear, by force; not content with using our children for their wars or even for their pleasure; these rulers past and present want to remind us of their dominance and precedence by way of celebratory art. It feels like taunting and a reminder to 'know your place - at the bottom, beneath the elevated position of your betters'.

This is why I don't merely see a statue of, say, Winston Churchill (someone I'm grateful to for his resolve against the Nazi threat); I see his family's home (a palace); I see his descent from the Dukes of Marlborough; I see his 'public' schooling; I see rarely-merited privilege back and forth over centuries, privilege which necessarily deprives more 'common' folk. And that is before I even think of the qualities - good or bad - of his actions once he assumed the inherited powers of his noble and political class. He is not just Winston Churchill - he is a symbol, and not solely the symbol of British resolution and stoicism which we are taught to believe is inherent to the nation's collective character.

And art like this is not merely the concern of those born to wealth and might - for example, figures and Parties who supposedly fought for the rights of the working classes also celebrated their own assumed magnificence. What fundamentally matters, then, is the monument's constant reminder of superior force - we don't only look up to them because of admiration or patriotism but also because they might deign to notice and fall upon us, as of old; art imitating life. History has taught us a hard lesson: we half-expect to be struck, and not only with awe.
 

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You can't just go around tearing statues down and then putting your own one up. Obviously the council have to do the right thing but at least people who are alive today will get to discuss what should go there and get to decide what should be celebrated.

Bound to stir up the right wingers and out and out racists but even if it has been provocative and either kept discussion or thought going for a day or so then it has achieved something very valuable.
Well exactly. I like the idea of the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, where you can have different installations meaning different things to different people. They should have similar around the country so everyone can feel included.
 

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Statue is coming down, guess it was too intimidating for some out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53423415
I think it’s not a bad idea personally, kind of cool to replace it with something associated with the protests...however who is the statue depicting? We don’t know anything about him.

Take it down and maybe see if the people of Bristol want a black lives matter protestor statue. The problem with BLM isn’t the message, it’s the whole anarchist agenda that surrounds them.
 

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The cop is an arse hole and certainly doesn't help himself with his choice of words, but to be fair, how exactly is he supposed to handle that passive-resistance non-compliance sovereign citizen nonsense?

His lawyer looks a state.
 
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The cop is an arse hole and certainly doesn't help himself with his choice of words, but to be fair, how exactly is he supposed to handle that passive-resistance non-compliance sovereign citizen nonsense?

His lawyer looks a state.
He can make the arrest without all that threatening shit talking whilst being filmed, that’s what can land him in trouble. The other 2 officers have ties on so my guess is they are brand new trainees and he might be a training officer, so probably wanted to show off in front of them of “how to handle business”.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53425148

Edward Enninful: British Vogue editor 'racially profiled' at work

Much less obvious than Floyd, Martin or Taylor but, for the majority of black people (and other people of colour), this is a very real and consistent lived experience.

As a one-off it may not seem that bad but it gets incredibly tiring when it happens persistently.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53425148

Edward Enninful: British Vogue editor 'racially profiled' at work

Much less obvious than Floyd, Martin or Taylor but, for the majority of black people (and other people of colour), this is a very real and consistent lived experience.

As a one-off it may not seem that bad but it gets incredibly tiring when it happens persistently.
We (myself and those like me) kinda accepted it as the standard so I guess it doesn't surprise us anymore. At certain establishments we have to be dressed extra smart, and behave extra sober, etc... Can't see it changing anytime soon either.