Qatar Bollocks (AKA Qatar consider MUFC takeover?)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
You've completely falsified and misrepresented my argument, deliberately I suspect.
Of course City's owners or Abramovic cannot be considered in the same terms of most other football owners. That is just taken as red I wouldn't have thought it would have been worthwhile in an intelligible conversation with someone clued up somewhat on football finance to take time to point that out.
However, although they are unique in not needing to turn a profit, they still want to. It'd still be their preferred outcome. They don't HAVE to and although it doesn't overly concern them and it isn't a number one priority for them but they still charge for entry. Chelsea has the highest ticket prices in the country.
So there's no contradiction between anything I've said unless you like to pull quotes and take each out of context and play dumb pretending you think there's absolutely no difference between the oil billionaires of the middle east and russia and every other football club owner in the country, or at least are pedantic enough to want that difference pointed out during every discussion.
Bollocks. The whole of the last page or so has been you claiming that profit is the only motivation for somebody to own a football club (as is the case with the Glazers) and that this applies to all other club owners without exception
There's been no misrepresentation, just you backtracking as more and more exceptions to your rule were brought forward!
It is the only motivation for most clubs. Even those to whom it isn't a priority it is still the preferred outcome. Even Saint Whelan tries his hardest for the club to make money.
If you're really pedantic enough to need the exception of Chelsea and City to be pointed out each time the subject is raised you must be a fecker to play scrabble with.
I think the difference between "most" and "all" is pretty key here, Aaron.
Your original position of "all" implies that there is no alternative and no other owner could be any different to the Glazers, as they are all and will always be motivated purely by profit.
"Most" proves that there are alternatives, even if they are in the minority. These alternatievs a myriad, from fan-owned clubs, to wealthy supporters to over-seas oligarchs on a power trip, but they are there. Which is crucial.
An I am a real fecker to play scrabble with.
Your original position of "all" implies that there is no alternative and no other owner could be any different to the Glazers, as they are all and will always be motivated purely by profit.
"Most" proves that there are alternatives, even if they are in the minority. These alternatievs a myriad, from fan-owned clubs, to wealthy supporters to over-seas oligarchs on a power trip, but they are there. Which is crucial.
An I am a real fecker to play scrabble with.
Fantastic post!
I reckon I'd beat you.
In that case why ask the question "what makes them different from other owners" if you're only interested in "what makes them different from other owners who are the same" That's feckin pointless!
He asked for the difference, I answered it.
I think several people are posting under the name "Aaron". I've never seen a poster in such a short period of time make claims, counterclaims and counter-counterclaims in such a condescending fashion before finally spouting that his posts have been falsified and misrepresented.
I really want it to be sunny blue skies tomorrow
The sky is always black and therefore cannot be blue!
What about at 2pm yesterday when it was gray with bits of blue, or last Friday when it was blue skies all day?
That's a completely different time of the day and therefore is totally incomparable and irrelevant!
But my whole statement was based on there being a possibility of it being blue and not black tomorrow, which you point blank discounted...
You've totally falsified and misrepresented my statement!
Or raises prices dramatically, makes cup ticket purchases compulsory and prices out many local fans?
Probably caughtoffside.com
City drop prices. They're our main competition for future matchgoers, no?
Others that don't appear to have been interested in profit:
Randy Lerner
Steve Gibson
Ellis Short
Mohamed Al-Fayed
Peter Coates
Lewis/Ashcroft
Steve Morgan
Jeremy Peace
Delia
Jeremy Peace not interested in profit? Hahaha!
Eh? that analogy was to do with the difference in running costs and the difference in the amount it would cost to obtain without going into debt, I appreciate the fact that there's a minute chance that you could have misinterpreted me, even though I did mention the difference already... perhaps you only read the one post?
I was tempted to just not reply to this, as it's a wall of text about something irrelevant to my point. All I will say is:
Mr Facebook is not going to buy United,
You do not have 10bn laying around,
I never discounted the possibility that any prospective United owners might want to own United for reasons other than monetary ones (did anybody?) but you gotta admit its highly bloody unlikely,
Blackburn, Wigan and Orient are not big enough to be comparable (lets just say in my opinion, but as far as I'm concerned that's not a ludicrous opinion),
This is pointless...
I give up, what relevance does this have to do with my point?
Just to be clear, this is why I think the comparisons are stupid...
I bet Gambits well pissed... thread has turned into a right shambles...
I didn't have a dI reckon I'd beat you.
Sorry, it's not clear at all. Apologies if I misinterpreted your post but if so I honestly don't know what you're on about.
You're saying we can't compare United, and ownership issues of said club, with other clubs because United are bigger and more expensive, with more money coming in and more going out, right? (Or wrong?)
I say that's nonsense, there's no reasons there aren't plenty of points which hold across clubs of different sizes. Your point just seems a convenient arbitrary way of disallowing arguments you don't like.
If I've got the wrong end of the stick, please make your point a little clearer!
Sorry, you can't backtrack like that. The post you quote was a direct, relevant response to:
"you don't know what you'd do with those kind of figures at stake. You could be left bankrupt."
If you didn't want me to debate this point you shouldn't have made it.
A1dan... I'm sure you're arguing for the sake of arguing. You think that the purchase and running of those clubs are comparable to United and I don't, I really cant see where you're coming from but just to draw a line under this. Lets agree to disagree...
Regarding your second point. Aaron mentions the tendency of some to argue on hypothetical situations and this seems to be a case in point... I also don't see why I cant make a point in a thread without having to debate on it or read through walls of text, it's friday...
Regarding your second point. Aaron mentions the tendency of some to argue on hypothetical situations and this seems to be a case in point... I also don't see why I cant make a point in a thread without having to debate on it or read through walls of text, it's friday...
''The trend is your friend''
People often forget that the Glazers have owned their other sports team business, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, for the last 16 years now. They could have sold it on for a huge profit many years ago but they're still there, still attempting to make the franchise even more valuable. History shows us that when the Glazers purchase an asset that demonstrates an ability to generate strong and reliable growth, they hold on to it.
They aren't going to sell Manchester United. Not for at least another decade anyway.
People often forget that the Glazers have owned their other sports team business, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, for the last 16 years now. They could have sold it on for a huge profit many years ago but they're still there, still attempting to make the franchise even more valuable. History shows us that when the Glazers purchase an asset that demonstrates an ability to generate strong and reliable growth, they hold on to it.
They aren't going to sell Manchester United. Not for at least another decade anyway.
It didn't, the sentence aboveit did. That was a response to another post.
My bad... Blame A1dan
If they sold the club..what would they do? They'd have shit loads of money, but they kind of do anyway? If they have held onto the Tampa Bay 'franchise' (I honestly forget what sport they play and really don't care) for sixteen years now, it really does suggest they're not really in it for the short-term gain.
so what is the latest news about this?
There's been loads of massive developments, culminating in the club finally being sold to the Iranians of all people. But nobody thought it worth posting about in this thread.
It was all bollocks and transfer muppet delusion from the start.
Bloody penny pinching Persians! Still haven't bought us Messi.
i think you mean mezze
Word from stewards at tonights game... #mufc deal with Qatari's is done!!!!
How would the stewards know anything? They know as much as me or you, which is basically nothing.
The stewards are always the first to know. I suspect they heard from the bin men. Today was collection day after all.
The story's been flying round a couple of other United boards for the past day or two - maybe they read it there.
I'd take it as a pisstake from most people, but Mujac isn't most people. Still find it a stretch though.
I'll apologize to the OP if this ever happens. But I'm still assuming this is all bollocks.
But I swear I'm ITK!
But we know at least one steward has the inside track. I mean who the hell are you waiting for before you believe it? Would confirmation from catering reassure you?
The second a domestic assistant tweets on this I suspect the club will have no choice but to publicly admit it.
If the PA announcer and the guy who plays Fred the Red say it's happening then I'll believe.