He didn’t steady shit. He just ruined our football for 2 years. A top class manager would have provided results within the first season.
Rafael da Silva: Van Gaal called me and said "You can leave. The meeting lasted 1 minute"
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Wonder what his conversations with Di Maria were like.
Curious. My comment was intended to be cutting of LVG. Perhaps not deep enough.
Everything points to him being terrible at actually managing people. I bet the players dreaded the meeting all the way through lunch.
Fergie did so much to make United feel like a family. Can only the imagine the buzz around the place when he was about. By all accounts, van Gaal burnt that to the ground.
Fergie did so much to make United feel like a family. Can only the imagine the buzz around the place when he was about. By all accounts, van Gaal burnt that to the ground.
I highly suggest reading the full article. Great stories in there.
Rafael was a brilliant player and one of the most likeable characters we've had.
Rafael was a brilliant player and one of the most likeable characters we've had.
Andow! What a character!
The interview was great. When i had read it all, i had pretty much forgot the bit about LvG.
Rafael is a great guy.
Rafael is a great guy.
Yeah I'd say that's fair, but the post I was responding to was arguing he helped bring back star names to Old Trafford so if it's on Woodward, it probably disproves that argument even further.
And we love you, Rafael.
Great, great article. Rafael was a guy who gets what it means to play for United. Would love for him to work for the club when his playing days are over.
Some of yous seriously need to get over yourselves, Rafael for all his abilities as a footballer wasn't the sharpest tool in the box, and easily led, he must've done or said something previously for LvG to react like that.
No you can be happy you sold the player and he has done nothing of note since then. Selling rafael was the right decision. Like selling welbeck, Nani etc. they have done very little to nothing after they left.
Great interview. The Van Gaal years were awful to watch, one of the reason was because his possession football just didn't fit the club, regardless of the players He bought.
And yet some people want us to play 'beautiful, attacking, possession football" ala Pep.
Possession football and Manchester United were a disaster, not only because of how boring and shite it was, the results were also mediocre. I agree that We should play more attacking football but I'd rather the "quick on the break and score more than what they scored" ala Fergie than another possession football. It just doesn't seem right for United.
Never cared much about the ball possession stats, the excitement doesn't come from there.
And yet some people want us to play 'beautiful, attacking, possession football" ala Pep.
Possession football and Manchester United were a disaster, not only because of how boring and shite it was, the results were also mediocre. I agree that We should play more attacking football but I'd rather the "quick on the break and score more than what they scored" ala Fergie than another possession football. It just doesn't seem right for United.
Never cared much about the ball possession stats, the excitement doesn't come from there.
Loved Rafael, loved his attitude towards the club and a fighter on the pitch.
What's this about Rafael being frequently being injured for us? I thought it was Fabio who was the one living in the physio room. IIRC, Rafael played quite a fair chunk of games in our title winning season.
Favourite moment of him was when he squared off with Tevez.
Also, feck off LVG.
What's this about Rafael being frequently being injured for us? I thought it was Fabio who was the one living in the physio room. IIRC, Rafael played quite a fair chunk of games in our title winning season.
Favourite moment of him was when he squared off with Tevez.
Also, feck off LVG.
I want Rafael back. LVG is a cnut.
LVG always seemed like a massive asshole, so its not that surprising.
What did Rafael want? When anyone loses their job the conversation only lasts a minute. What's so special about him? Did he want a steak Diane, a prawn cocktail and the full kimono treatment?
Not surprising really....Brazilians are known to be free spirits who are fiercely individualistic in their approach,and we know everything about LVG's philosophy....
I totally agree. Moyes was just out of his depth like you said but there was no lasting damage. I get the feeling that the senior players never trusted him from day 1. He should never have been anywhere near a United dugout. Van Gaal is the one who's set us back years and destroyed the club. He was given a lot of time and money to rebuild the squad and failed miserably. We are still trying to shift out the deadwood he bought almost two years after his departure. His safety first mentality is still ingrained in this team. He sold players but then didn't replace them adequately. Failed to get the best from his own signings and then he blames the club for not giving him a 3rd year. If we'd given another year we would've been set back even further. IMO he should've gone after 1 season. He didn't deserve another year. 7th to 4th papers over the cracks. We didn't have CL football and 4th was the bare minimum with the squad that he had. His biggest achievement is brainwashing fans into thinking there was progress. What progress? In Moyes season we had 64 points. LVG 1st season had 70 points and then the final year 66 points. So basically we were still in the same position. Van Gaal took a terrible squad and left a similarly terrible squad whilst spending over 250m on it. And we are led to believe that he was laying the foundations....
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We all sat here and called Di Maria a snake and all sorts of names but now I'm starting to understand that maybe he was right to leave all along. Di Maria may have wanted to join PSG anyway but I'm sure if our manager was Jose instead of Van Gaal Di Maria would've worked harder to make it success. He certainly would'nt have run away after 1 year. Who would want to work with LVG? It made Di Maria's decision a lot easier I guess.
The LVG hate on here is really over the top.
He took over Moyes who was a complete and utter disaster, and got us
1. Back in the Champions League.
2. Back to beating the big clubs , and comfortably! Do you remember us completely dominating Liverpool at Anfield? That hasn’t happened in a long, long time.
3. Won us an FA Cup.
Again he wasn’t a perfect manager but he was the right manager at the right time to give us back credibility after the Moyes debacle and I think he deserves more respect to be honest. The hate he gets on here is ludicrously over the top.
Same at work, a Dutch colleague hates him. Called him an arrogant bastard. I laughed. I was wrong
Yes. Because LVG has a reputation for not being a dictator who takes instant and irrational dislikes to players especially ones who speak up when accused of things they didn't do.
Great article but brought back some bad memories of LvG. The worst one when everyone wanted Rooney dropped and then LvG came out in a presser and said 'My captain shall always play'. Bad times.
He just comes up to him and asks "why don't you respect me?" Does he think he's Don Corleone?
Does he think he's Don Corleone?His record with South American players is that bad, one could almost infer racism.
Always loved Rafael, gave his all for the club and played with passion. Loved it when he squared up to Tevez a few years back, he just got it..
In fairness 90% of the cafe were happy we had got Darmain, started off brilliant to until Sanchez destroyed him at the emirates and that was the end of him really.Got us Darmian instead
Amen brother. I have always said this, he completely destroyed our mentality.
Why more people don't recognise this is beyond me, what an awful appointment LVG was, and despite being a character, he seems like a horrible man.
Yeah it's bizarre, no idea why anyone wouldn't like Rafael. Had his injuries but his attitude represented pretty much everything a Man Utd player should have, while Darmian is the antithesis of what a United player should be.
What kind of bizarre sequence of interactions is that?
I don't disagree with most of what people have said about Van Gaal in here. He did make a complete hash of building a squad, sold too many good players and replaced them with shite.
But don't use Van Gaal's failures to absolve Moyes of his share of the blame. We can debate all day who caused more damage, but Moyes has to shoulder a fair chunk of blame for where the club found itself when Mourinho took over in 2016.
Van Gaal was way too rash in buying/selling players, Moyes the opposite he set the club back with his inaction. He took over a team badly in need of reinforcement in certain areas and failed to recruit the players needed. We have been playing catch up ever since.
No doubt in my mind that Moyes was catastrophically worse for you, short term and long term, than Van Gaal. I was gutted when he was sacked!
Rafa
In terms of signing players who made a positive contribution to the club after the manager who signed them left then Moyes > Van Gaal. The latter only has Martial to show for his time here, despite presiding over many more transfer windows and spending a shit-load more money than Moyes. Along with a bunch of flops.
Moyes left us Mata and Fellaini, who have both been useful players. I actually don’t think he signed any complete flops at all? He got a lot of shit for being “dithering Dave” about transfers but I would argue that’s a lot less damaging to the club than spending huge sums of money on players that aren’t good enough or don’t fit. Ditto re prematurely sacking off players who might have been useful squad members (e.g. the subject of this thread).
Agreed.
How about, "sorry but you're not in my plans but thanks for your service to the club"
The lad was a fan favourite and a title winning starter under SAF when fit, no harm in having a bit of class in dealing with your employees.
Gah. I forgot Hererra!
What is going on with all the Moyes love and Van Gaal bashing?
It’s totally ludicrous. LVG did much more for this club than Moyes did. The re writing of history is well and truly happening on the Cafe.
It’s totally ludicrous. LVG did much more for this club than Moyes did. The re writing of history is well and truly happening on the Cafe.
That answers your question.