literally no one has said white players never receive smear stories by the media. we're talking about the consistency and degree of it attributed to black players.
The ethnicity of the gangs themselves would be the absolute central issue if the gangs were white and the victims were muslim. Which they never are. Address the broader issue.
Sterling has literally never done well in an England shirt. Except for that one time he scored twice against Spain.
Becks and Rooney were destroyed whenever fit when it came to the NT and their performances. When Sterling was criticised for not scoring/assisting goals there were about millions of articles, dissecting every part of play, explaining how it's fine that he doesn't score/assist as a forward because he's helping the other players around him and it's all down to Southgates brilliance.
How often do white terrorists proclaim to do God's work compared to their Muslim counterparts? There's your answer.
Well it could do something with Jihad, screaming Allahu Akbar when killing people around you and all that funny stuff. Cannot recall the last time somebody screamed 'Jesus is great' when killing people, you can place other gods/deities in place of Jesus.
Ask the victims of shootings at abortion clinics by right wing nutjobs.
We're on the topic of racism here, it's not equivalent to 'a bunch of white guys saying stuff I disagree with'. It's more comparable with the Jewish community saying something is antisemitic - i'm not going to sit here and tell them they're wrong, or the degree of antisemitism is small or I disagree that antisemitism is the main factor - it's simply not my place because I don't know what it's like to experience antisemitism, so how would I know?
Reading Villain in this 'debate' is like watching Roger Federer armed with a swatter in a room full of flies...
Where would you fall on this scale? I hear there are worms which we share 70% of our genetic code with, I reckon I could get one of those to add more to the debate than you do.
Man City barely have any fans and plenty of players to worship!
How about if a white guy came out and made claims that racism against white people was inherent in society? There's plenty of loons out there that would claim there was a Jewish conspiracy oppressing them, how can you say otherwise? You couldn't possibly understand their experience. Just because people belong to a certain group, does not mean nobody can possibly question any claims they make. That is the worst form of identity politics and all it does is suppress any kind of intelligent debate.
The talk of the gun being a tribute to his dad is honestly so stupid it's hard to comprehend.
If white men had been oppressed for centuries and as a society we had decided that oppression no longer existed, and then a group of white men stated they were still being oppressed then yes, as a non white male I would believe them and say I couldn't understand their experience.
It seems kind of strange that your default assumption is that racism is not at play given the incredibly racist history of this country and, in particular, the newspapers we are talking about here. Those are the kind of benevolent assumptions that people of colour don't have the luxury of making unfortunately.
The basis of the argument is that because some black people are claiming something to do with race, we should automatically say they're absolutely correct .. without even questioning it because we couldn't possibly comprehend their experience as white guys.
They splashed it all over the front page though. Just one week after the EU referendum and yet this is what they consider to be the most pressing news of the day. This particular journalist has form for writing about players and their 'bling', as much as people think that word is innocuous it's a clear dog whistle.
The thing about tattoos as a form of expression is that there is only one person who’s opinion on it matters, and that is the person getting the tattoo. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s stupid, because it has no meaning to you. If you think it’s stupid then don’t get one. Nobody cares what you think about that being his idea of a tribute to his father, because it is HIS tribute.
Tell me how it's possible to be white, in a majority white country and claim that there is inherent racism against white people in society? You're just saying things just to disagree with the main point here, rather than saying things that make sense. I'm not denying that there are extreme cases where any individual can hold a particularly niche view - that happens with every topic.
Sure, you can objectively analyse it. But when people who have experienced this are telling you maybe you're wrong, you aren't taking any of their arguments on board.
why must a grooming gang be referred to as muslim?
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Maybe you're really young or something but a certain George W. Bush destroyed a country of poor brown people because (amongst other reasons) God told him to do so.
He's obviously disliked for leaving the club in a distasteful manner, as has been seen with many footballers. See Sol Campbell, RVP, Owen, Torres etc
commonality of religion, commonality of victim. the numberless rapes are unprecedented among other "minority" groups and have a cultural/racial aspect that narrative testament which includes description of racial abuse from the thousands of victims will bear out.
Terrorism doesn't have to have religious connotations before it's called terrorism.
Plenty of people would claim that this is possible. There are plenty of historical examples where people truly believed a small ethnic minority were manipulating the rest, and often they reacted to this with violence. Historically these haven't even been niche views, just because a lot of people of a certain race believe a certain thing about the way they are being treated, does not automatically make it entirely true. I'm also not saying that black athletes across the country have no point, or that racism has been eradicated in the nation. I'm certain that there are certain articles written about Sterling which have been motivated by racist believes held by certain journalists. I'm just not as quick as others are to immediately brand all of the media attention he's received as being racially motivated, I genuinely believe that a vast majority of what has been aimed at him would have occurred regardless of race.
That's rich.
Not born in the UK.
How often do you reckon this scenario unfolds?
In the same way that you and others have the pre conceived notion that this is racist, and nothing is going to convince you otherwise? I have a stance in the discussion, you're acting like I'm sat here point blank refusing to believe racism exists whatsoever, or that I'm not interested in hearing other perspectives. I haven't attempted to shut down other points of view at all and of course I'm interesting in learning from a different perspective, that's the point of a debate like this right? It seems like because I'm not sat here agreeing with everything that's being said, you're instantly assuming I have no interest in learning, which just isn't true.
Damein Delaney has a tattoo of a clown shooting himself... no coverage.
I don't think most people even know that he wasn't born in the UK. I certainly didn't.
He left Liverpool in difficult circumstances. Before that the press attention was minor. There is always one English player the media pin the nation's hopes on. He was the one for the next decade and he was also the one to bring Liverpool back from obscurity. Instead he upped and left for the new club on the block, and he did it for money. It pushed all the right buttons in the envious, class driven British mentality. Once the fire is lit the British press are relentless, as Gazza, Beckham and Rooney have all found out before him.
You don't get it - if a media outlet allows a story to be ran by journalists who hold racist views, then they are supporting racism.
