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Its very obvious for people who take part on the day in multiple sports, especially ones like Cricket and Tennis.This is it. It is almost exclusive to football. I don't understand why.
Certainly, but the media certainly do.I don't think most people even know that he wasn't born in the UK. I certainly didn't.
Thanks for that explanation. Never understood it. Now I get it. Great tattoo. Not a fan of tattoos but that's a great message.You're reading it wrong. The tattoo is in memory of his father. His father was killed as a result gun violence, therefore, Sterling will never touch a gun. He is a footballer who is predominantly right-footed and in football, the word "shoot" is used when a player is attempting to score a goal. Therefore, his right foot is his shooter. He's saying that he chose football instead of guns and violence and instead of a gun he uses his right foot (footballing talents) to spread a positive message instead of getting caught up in gang violence.
Sterling is actually a role model for young kids, he came up from humble beginnings and made something of himself. You can say he's lucky to be born so talented but a lot of kids who are talented at sports and come from a similar background to Sterling fall by the wayside, sometimes through circumstances out of their control.
Its sad that he has been villanized so much.
@JSArsenal - put it better then I ever could.It's not though? Unless I'm reading this completely wrong he said it himself. It's because he shoots with his right foot. That is his "shooter", it's a bit stupid and childish but each to their own.
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Have you ever worked behind a bar? The amount of abuse bar staff get is ridiculous, and take into consideration this, these people are not millionaires, they are on minimum wage, and are you a female working behind a bar?How can you? You would have to ban a while stadium given how wide spread it is. Every time an opposition does near the touch line, for a throw in or corner even, he gets a huge amount of abuse.
He’s also light skinned which does make a difference. From my experience, dark skinned black men face a lot more prejudice than mixed race or light skinned black people.The difference between Raheem and Rashford is one was born in the UK, the other wasnt. I honestly think that has a lot to do with sterlings treatment. Hes not "proper" English and all that.
Great post. But how do you go about eradicating ever growing impatience and entitlement?Have you ever worked behind a bar? The amount of abuse bar staff get is ridiculous, and take into consideration this, these people are not millionaires, they are on minimum wage, and are you a female working behind a bar?
This kind of abuse is rampant in todays society. I have worked behind a bar myself, and society in general is just horrible. People look at what happened in that Chelsea match, and think its down to thugs being racist. It isnt. Its society today. Look at forums, customer service jobs, especially now at christmas, look at the abuse given out to people over the phone because your package hasnt been delivered yet for someone for christmas, or the last time you went to a pub and havent been served in the space of 10 seconds stepping up to the bar without have a snide dig at the person behind the bar.
Its all down to entitlement. Sterling is deserving of this abuse as he is on daft amounts of money doing something he loves. This is the mentality. We have a RIGHT to abuse him as he is earning amounts we never will, its not the fact he plays for the opposition, supporters think the same with there own players when they are not giving 100%. Its an entitlement people feel, the same as bar staff getting abuse for not serving quicker than the beer pump dispenses, paying customers feel they are entitled to give abuse as they are paying customers.
This needs to stop. The entitlement needs to stop. The whole mentality on any kind of verbal abuse is something that needs to be addressed across the whole spectrum. I agree with many of the Chelsea fans, there is no proof the abuse Sterling got was racist, but for me that is not the point, the fact he was shouted and screamed at, abused at a level that I, as a parent, would be heartbroken seeing happen to my kid, or indeed my kids giving the abuse. Its something that needs to be addressed and dealt with. Any abuse, in any kind of form needs to be stamped out. Across all sectors of society, we need to get to the root of these problems.
You make some good points here, and I agree with most, but why would a 60 year old man call a Jamaican born English player who grew up in London a "Manc Bastard". I'm not buying that for a second from him. You've nailed modern society to a tee though.Have you ever worked behind a bar? The amount of abuse bar staff get is ridiculous, and take into consideration this, these people are not millionaires, they are on minimum wage, and are you a female working behind a bar?
This kind of abuse is rampant in todays society. I have worked behind a bar myself, and society in general is just horrible. People look at what happened in that Chelsea match, and think its down to thugs being racist. It isnt. Its society today. Look at forums, customer service jobs, especially now at christmas, look at the abuse given out to people over the phone because your package hasnt been delivered yet for someone for christmas, or the last time you went to a pub and havent been served in the space of 10 seconds stepping up to the bar without have a snide dig at the person behind the bar.
Its all down to entitlement. Sterling is deserving of this abuse as he is on daft amounts of money doing something he loves. This is the mentality. We have a RIGHT to abuse him as he is earning amounts we never will, its not the fact he plays for the opposition, supporters think the same with there own players when they are not giving 100%. Its an entitlement people feel, the same as bar staff getting abuse for not serving quicker than the beer pump dispenses, paying customers feel they are entitled to give abuse as they are paying customers.
This needs to stop. The entitlement needs to stop. The whole mentality on any kind of verbal abuse is something that needs to be addressed across the whole spectrum. I agree with many of the Chelsea fans, there is no proof the abuse Sterling got was racist, but for me that is not the point, the fact he was shouted and screamed at, abused at a level that I, as a parent, would be heartbroken seeing happen to my kid, or indeed my kids giving the abuse. Its something that needs to be addressed and dealt with. Any abuse, in any kind of form needs to be stamped out. Across all sectors of society, we need to get to the root of these problems.
To be fair, Beckham was vilified before his alleged affair (which didn’t seem to affect his popularity at all).Tweet
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Maybe I’m completely wrong here but using “Manc” as an insult seems pretty exclusive to Scousers. Can’t imagine it just slipping off the tongue of a cockney like that.You make some good points here, and I agree with most, but why would a 60 year old man call a Jamaican born English player who grew up in London a "Manc Bastard". I'm not buying that for a second from him. You've nailed modern society to a tee though.
There is that too, also can you imagine Mane going to take a corner and someone calling his a "scouse bastard". It's just not going to happen imho...Maybe I’m completely wrong here but using “Manc” as an insult seems pretty exclusive to Scousers. Can’t imagine it just slipping off the tongue of a cockney like that.
My oldest kid is the most entitled kid of my 3 boys. If anything goes wrong its not his fault, its probably mine. My second oldest just looks at my oldest not with disdain or disgust, just a head shake. He asked me once, how come he never accepts his decisions as his fault? I will be honest, I had no answer.Great post. But how do you go about eradicating ever growing impatience and entitlement?
You make some very good points but we need to be careful here. Fans giving opposition players "the bird" has been part and parcel of the game for decades. It's not a new phenomenon and is down to the tribalistic nature of football. Do we want the sport to become so sanitised that fans aren't allowed to ever dish out any kind of stick to a rival player? Some of the recent stuff that went on around the River Plate v Boca Juniors Copa Libertadores final was bang out of order, but the general spectacle of that particular derby is one of the most revered on the planet due in no small part to the hostile atmosphere generated by both sets of fans, and as such it's on the "bucket list" of many football fans the world over. Do we want to see that hostility and passion completely removed? As a City fan, do I want to see United fans politely applauding Aguero when he smashes in the winner past De Gea at Old Trafford as opposed to them flicking the V sign at him en masse? No chance. Would United and Liverpool fans sooner sit side by side when their teams meet and collectively indulge in a rendition of "I'd like to teach the world to sing"? No chance. People saying that other sports aren't as bad are comparing apples and oranges. Take tennis for example - it's considered bad etiquette if tennis fans cheer when a player serves a double fault. Can you imagine if that was transferred to football? I was at Anfield the other week in the away end when Mahrez sent that penalty into orbit, and the whole of Anfield - bar us City fans of course - understandably erupted into guffaws of laughter. If one was to use the Queensbury rules of tennis, they'd argue that the Liverpool fans were being disrespectful by reacting like that. In any case, I'd argue that in some other sports the abuse can be equally as bad as it is in football. Try being an opposition cricket player fielding in front of the Western Terrace at Headingley for example.Footballs responsibility to tackle any and all racism within the game will naturally receive the primary focus of the media in light of recent events but I believe it to be important to first address the broader culture of general abuse and hatred present at all grounds around the country.
Unfortunately, it's clearly accepted as "part of the game" for match going fans to scream abuse at players and officials. I would argue that this environment often becomes sufficiently toxic that a racist is then emboldened to give the type of racial abuse seen recently.
Such fan behavior isn't typically found in other sports and although the reasons for this are surely numerous, I suspect the appalling example set by players to be a major contributor. Unfortunately it may be necessary to temporarily mic up players and then issue retrospective punishment until in-game attitudes improve.
I've heard it used in London about Man United Fans, players etc. so it could have been used, there was a black guy 3-4 seats away from him you can see in the video who doesn't react...that said I'm still not convinced this guy said "Manc".Maybe I’m completely wrong here but using “Manc” as an insult seems pretty exclusive to Scousers. Can’t imagine it just slipping off the tongue of a cockney like that.
Pedantic point I know but United fans weren't the originators of the Wenger chant - Spurs fans started that one offOf course football has a history of fairly unpleasant chants in general - are chants like 'arsene wenger is a paedophile' more or less acceptable than racist outbursts ? That is of course a chant which United fans particularly seemed to enjoy singing. Then sung by fans of clubs other than United, what about 'posh spice takes it up the arse' which I seem to recall being sung at Beckham, sometimes whilst his wife was actually at the game
I'm really unsure how I personally would rank that kind of thing compared to racist behaviour. But in the instance of Sterling, I feel more strongly about the media's treatment of him than the abuse at the ground. There is also an argument that his media treatment might encourage the fans treatment at the ground. I have literally no clue as to how Sterling compares the two.
To be fair, United fans often chant "you scouse bastard" at games when there is an opposing player who has played for Liverpool at some point. Probably wouldn't happen whilst playing for Liverpool, but if Mane left Liverpool and lined up against us for another club, I'm pretty sure he'd get the same chant once or twice during that game.There is that too, also can you imagine Mane going to take a corner and someone calling his a "scouse bastard". It's just not going to happen imho...
Absolutely - I didn't want to imply that it did. I was just trying to think of one chant that united (amongst others) sang and one that they had sung against them.Pedantic point I know but United fans weren't the originators of the Wenger chant - Spurs fans started that one off
There's a further article on the chelsea 'fan' today that shows him supporting 'racism isn't illegal'.........seems pretty banged to rights on this oneTo be fair, United fans often chant "you scouse bastard" at games when there is an opposing player who has played for Liverpool at some point. Probably wouldn't happen whilst playing for Liverpool, but if Mane left Liverpool and lined up against us for another club, I'm pretty sure he'd get the same chant once or twice during that game.
If the Chelsea fan called him "Manc" then I could understand it based on how United fans chuck the word "scouse" around. But I don't think he did anyway.
I still can't get over itGiggs man.
For 8 years. Man, that's low.I still can't get over it
This is exactly why it's so difficult to have a debate and I genuinely cannot be arsed to have one like this for some time.I wonder whether the treatment Pogba is receiving from our fans is another example of this.
Hes a sick individualFor 8 years. Man, that's low.
There is a black guy next to him in the crowd that day surely he would be worth interviewing for his thoughts. I personally think Sterling should have called the ref over immediately and simply stood and pointed at the guy with all camera's there. The game should have stopped whilst action was taken. If the ref didn't act I'd simply walk off and motion a sub action. I really hope this starts to happen. Until games actually stop this retrospective action is little more than what has always happened. Police need to be brought into play immediately within the stadium. Fellow fans around the guilty racists need to point them out. Until the game of football starts to be harmed as a spectacle by actions from everyone there nothing serious will ever change I suspect.There's a further article on the chelsea 'fan' today that shows him supporting 'racism isn't illegal'.........seems pretty banged to rights on this one
Not you as well?!?I still can't get over it
How could he Steve?!Not you as well?!?
Nah, I use it and im from London (not a cockney, thats people from a very specific part of East London).Maybe I’m completely wrong here but using “Manc” as an insult seems pretty exclusive to Scousers. Can’t imagine it just slipping off the tongue of a cockney like that.
The black dude 3-4 seats away had probably heard worse every week for 10 years, sadly.I've heard it used in London about Man United Fans, players etc. so it could have been used, there was a black guy 3-4 seats away from him you can see in the video who doesn't react...that said I'm still not convinced this guy said "Manc".
Completely agree.Haven’t read the whole thread, but props to the usual posters who’ve the patience to break things down and go around in circles with people who clearly lack the capability of empathy for the subtle/subconscious racism debate.
It really is quite incredible how people can employ two completely different standards for assessing opposing narratives of a situation, depending on their own preconceived notions. It makes a productive debate/discussion impossible.
Take Sterling being the Yardie father to many children for example. I would assert that the person who puts it down to a standard tabloid story gone innocently wrong due to the media company having being fed a fake report (poor them), has already decided that racism is definitely not at play here before discussion has even begun. One cannot seriously and honestly suggest this as the more viable context, completely ignoring the media company’s willingness to run with a completely unconfirmed story painting the picture of the ‘archetypal’ Jamaican man with multiple sexual partners/baby mothers - or basically a dysfunctional young black man. Remind me what Sterling has done to deserve such denigration again?
No one is saying that the moment a person of colour shouts racism, it is expected it should automatically ring true without requiring evidence. The above however, requires jumping through some hoops to come to the conclusion that racism is not at play.
How could he Steve?!
What the feck does that have to do with anything? I never stated that racists don't exist (like the moron who threw a banana on the pitch) so it's completely irrelevant to the discussion that was being had about Sterling's case. Had I been sat here disputing the existence of racism in the United Kingdom, you might have a point.Completely agree.
Especially odd when the poster in point (@SquishyMcSquish ) supports a club who a few weeks ago had a supporter throwing a fecking banana skin at Aubameyang...!
Incredible to witness something like that a few weeks ago and then wade in to a topic like this with the type of posts and attitude he has displayed on the subject.