Another victory for Rashford.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Yeah. I am no longer emotionally invested, you could see this coming awhile off. However, the decision making behind bringing in someone like Rangnick then choosing to go in a completely different direction afterwards is questionable.
It would have been better to go for a pragmatist like Valverde instead of a systems coach. Hiring Ralf only made sense if our plan, long term, was to go in the gegenpressing direction.
A wasted six months for everyone involved. That's life I guess.
ETH clearly doesn't.
He got what he wanted, which was getting his name out there again.
He was probably the worst of the five options as an interim given he's coached 1 season in the top flight in the last decade and even when he had he didn't have a track record of success plus as someone with a very clear system he was never going to be able to implement it properly without a preseason. The only way of justifying his appointment even then was the role he could have moving forward but this has been coming for a while, his role for the next 2 years was so vague and it became clear over time that it was just a token gesture by the club to get him to take the interim role.
But, but, but..... Ralf was hired because of his consultancy role!
This stinks. Clubs rotten
Nailed it.
Said that something like this would happen from the very beginning.
The upper management fecked up again by appointing someone who was out of depth for this club (everyone is, tbf).
The consequences were that we are out of CL and the club became a circus in public ( more than necessary) which can make recruiting and rebuilding the squad more difficult and a lot longer.
The upper management fecked up again by appointing someone who was out of depth for this club (everyone is, tbf).
The consequences were that we are out of CL and the club became a circus in public ( more than necessary) which can make recruiting and rebuilding the squad more difficult and a lot longer.
Very true. It’s a utmost failure. Mouthough has to take blame at least partially. I hope his leadership won’t make another big failure. He seems getting along with ETH well at the moment. Hope they form a great partnership to streamline all football operations starting from this summer.
Saw it coming weeks ago despite being told continuously in here that the reason he was brought in was all about his consultancy role.
Can you also tell me the lottery numbers since you're so good at gleaning unpredictable things from the future?
Well well well.....
What a waste of time that was then.
What a waste of time that was then.
It was entirely predictable, not a 15million to 1 shot. Ten Hag's answers last week even hinted it.
It’s not a waste of time. It shows that there are many clowns in the world. It’s a failed appointment. That’s it. Hope it becomes a lesson the club can learn from it.
Good post!
Then the last 9 years have been full of failed appointments. The ones who appointed him for a role he wasn't reknowned for should also bear the responsibility.
While it was a mistake, I'm happy we've corrected the mistake by ending this nightmare here.
I look at the positives however, the 2021/22 season was a complete shitshow and the main culprits in Ole, Rangnick, Woodward are all gone. Add in the players finally leaving the club and there is hope of a new era finally beginning with ETH, Murtough and Arnold.
Yeah, hopefully we made the right decision.
Changing staffs without changing the way they run the club would mean nothing.
New contracts for Rashford, Shaw and De Gea incoming.
To add to this, coaching wise, I don't think many United fans actually saw his Liepzig teams. They weren't like Liverpool or Chelsea. They barely ever held too much possession and were very highly based on a higher counter press. Essentially, almost the entire focus of those teams were to set up in a very compact form, win the ball back high up the pitch and create their chances from those turnovers. They were averaging 49.5% possession in the 2018/2019 season. This is a manager that already had issues at Schalke when he called it quits in 2011. His record there was terrible and he seemed to have similar issues as here. He then took a long break from management, came back in 2018-2019 and decided that he wanted to leave again. He doesn't seem to have had the energy for management in the first place. The season after under Naggelsman, they averaged 54% possession. This suggests that rather than just talent, their possession issues had to do with Rangnick and his style. United players were blamed for not adapting to what he wanted to do, but the real question is, what what he was trying to do actually going to be successful in the league? Could the players sense how poorly it was working ? Was Rangnick making an excuse for the failure of his tactic in England? What if the players were met with Moyes levels of incompetence from Rangnick tactically and criticized it. Let's call it for what it is, a lot of our attacking players had their forms drop off a cliff once Rangnick came in. They were not nearly as bad under Ole. The defence and defensive midfield were under Ole, but the reputations of our attackers and full backs took a complete nosedive under Rangnick, my conclusion is that his tactics did not fit attackers with any real quality. Imagine making Bruno's main goal in a game to recover the ball quickly when he has so much more to offer. People complained about ball movement under Ole, but that completely fell apart under Rangnick...why? Because as some of the articles are stating, we barely worked on that during training.
Rangnick wanted to come off as a manager that completely failed because of the players. Despite the fact that we have some toxic players, I don't think any other manager would have publicly struggled the way he did. I don't think he had the patience or mindset of a manager looking to united a dressing room. His previous tenures at other clubs reflect this. He's another manager that came here to create a tactical legacy and once he was found out to be one dimensional with a system that didn't work in England, he completely gave up. A part of me think ETH noticed this during their conversations. I don't think some of the players were the only toxic figures, I think Rangnick himself was a key contributor to it. He got lucky because our players were already under the spotlight for how a few of them downed tools under Ole ( which I think was heavily exaggerated). Our fans lapped it up because they needed a reason to understand why the team looked so poor. However, failing tactically, then coming out to say the team needs 10 new players and that everyone is rubbish except De Gea is not the way someone who is seeking to actually build a team would approach things. Even when he discussed the lack of physicality in our players, his Liepzig team was all physicality. If you watched them, you would understand why it didn't work and this would be the same at almost any top club he decided to work with. He essentially wanted the front 6 to all be like Drogba or Diego Costa. No team has that.
I do think he had a plan. I think he wanted an experienced head coming in to weather the storm.
I don't think he knew Rangnick would create even more problems. I don't think he got along with ETH, I actually think he's leaving because of ETH. You can't come in and start fighting with players then expect to be in a position of power at the club.
I don't think Ole's appointment was a mistake. We should have just let him go a bit sooner ( which would have drawn the ire of the media, but would have put us in good stead). TBH it was probably for the best that it worked out the way it did. Woodward would have been the one making the appointment
My apology for poor wording. “Him” I actually mean Mouthough in that context, not Ralf. All the shit Ralf threw out can’t have real positive effects. As ETH said, he talks with a lot of people and will draw the line himself. That’s of course the right way to analyze and solve the situation.
I also think Ole is not a bad appointment. He is part of the culture reset we should have done earlier that we now re-establish a great youth pipeline. But, ole can’t get us over the finish line several times and it’s always the case more doubts are mounting about his managerial ceiling. This season, the club is in a transition, Mouthough was appointed as DOF in the spring last year but new CEO only started his role this Feb. What’s the real cause of the downhill run since young boys game are still a mystery to us. I am not sure if Ole won’t be able to take us to success eventually but one thing is clear that he can’t do it quickly enough even though he can. ETH is a good appointment because I prefer his philosophy. Starting this summer, the transition to the new footballing structure is completed. We have no reason not to be optimistic in future even though there are still bumping up and down ahead for sure.
I think it was.
I agree with you. I don't think Ole's culture reset was unsuccessful like many here do. I think it worked. However, I also think keeping the likes of Pogba, Lingard and Martial put it in jeopardy. The minute results started falling apart, with big figures like Ronaldo and Varane then coming in, I believe having those three proved toxic and created what would come after. I believe the media heavily exaggerated the players downing tools. We had seen poor form like this occur with Ole as manager. In addition, the poor performances really occurred for a month and a half, which is not a long time in football, especially when playing City and Liverpool within that period. I believe Rangnick coming in, trying to prove a point in his career without truly wanting to integrate with the team caused the toxicity after December. His tactics failed, he gave up and he started publicly blaming the players for it, which is why I think players starting leaking more to the press to counter that.
If we had sold Pogba in that 18/19 season, I actually believe Ole might have had a bit more success as manager here ( even though i never felt he was good enough here). Pogba barely featured under Ole, yet we always kept a spot for him within the first team. I believe this is why we stayed so long without ever fixing the midfield issues we had at the club.
In a way I'm disappointed he won't be kept around as a consultant but it's been obvious for months his future role wasn't a sure thing. It was also obvious there was no real master plan behind his appointment beyond hiring an experienced coach and hoping he could right the ship and secure CL football, a task at which he failed miserably.
So with him effectively being sacked I think we can safely file the following:
I think ultimately he became a bit of a toxic presence around the place and Ten Hag and the club probably felt he had to go if Erik had any chance of putting this broken squad back together.
So with him effectively being sacked I think we can safely file the following:
And probably a few more half baked theories as the speculative fan fictions that they were.
I think ultimately he became a bit of a toxic presence around the place and Ten Hag and the club probably felt he had to go if Erik had any chance of putting this broken squad back together.
The conviction people used to make those statements with. As if we were the stupid ones for not seeing the club had some obvious master plan.
I posted the above in April because i knew they would get rid as soon as he started criticising the management publicly. I hope Ten Hag gets the support he needs but this club's management is rotten.
Ralf didn't help himself with his awfully poor management but he did have a proven record as a club builder.
The most ridiculous claim for me was how he was managing the squad (even though it is not his strength and therefore we should not worry about his performance there for the long-term gain) so that he could assess the squad first-hand.
I have not heard any decent DOF ever having to manage a squad to be good at what they are doing.
As if no-one could see this coming. Biggest waste of space ever.. Has to be the worst ever signing for United.
Austria's a part-time role ffs.
The Rangnites must be gutted.
Some classics there.
It's funny how we have a DOF already too.
The issue is alot of our fans don't know what they are talking about in terms of club structure. They don't know what to look for and who does what.
It's the same reason why they always talk about Murtough and Fletcher together when their roles are very different. If we are looking for an Assistant DOF, clearly Fletcher isn't that.
It feels like anybody can say every negative thing about the club and our fans would lap it up as fact.
We can't say it was everyone but there were several posters who regularly got nasty with anyone who wasn't drinking the kool-aid Rangnick was pissing out. I imagine they won't be posting about Ralf's masterplan again any time soon.
Yeah as if the Glazers and United would write a season off and not worry about CL football just to allow a semi-retired manager who's never managed outside Germany to come and feck about for 6 months assessing a squad to pass files onto the next fulltime manager.
Like we've been in purgatory for 6 months...
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