Those Ole interviews were frustrating as hell.I just listened to his post match interview. At least he gets annoyed and see the same things we are seeing. With Ole I felt he never saw the issues the same way we did.
I am beginning to believe that Solskjaer was a little more tactically aware then we all thought. Perriera commenting on the PSG comeback supports that. These players have built an atmosphere of no accountability and maximum comfort.How many more managers must we have before people realise you can tell players to do things, but you can't make them listen.
You could get away with the Ole's "tactially naive" excuse before RR, but not now, not with a guy with so much experience.
They're playing exactly the same as they did under Ole because they don't listen and most of them have little to no character which gets badly exposed when teams press us.
I disagree. Watch the first 30 minutes against Palace and see how good Ronaldo is in this system.Ronaldo needs dropping if we are to play Ralf to get his chance to implement his system. Ronaldo is now the archetypical Italian striker where they don't run much so that they can save their energy for when it counts -- in the penalty box. At 36 that's his only option.
Quite right.How many more managers must we have before people realise you can tell players to do things, but you can't make them listen.
You could get away with the Ole's "tactially naive" excuse before RR, but not now, not with a guy with so much experience.
They're playing exactly the same as they did under Ole because they don't listen and most of them have little to no character which gets badly exposed when teams press us.
I’ve been banging on about the lack of character in the team for ages. It’s so evident with this United team. Not a proper leader amongst them.How many more managers must we have before people realise you can tell players to do things, but you can't make them listen.
You could get away with the Ole's "tactially naive" excuse before RR, but not now, not with a guy with so much experience.
They're playing exactly the same as they did under Ole because they don't listen and most of them have little to no character which gets badly exposed when teams press us.
How did you survive 3 years under Ole?It's not that I'm not backing Ralf, I always back a manager until it's clear they've gone backwards, but I just don't think I can sit through another Norwich/Newcastle performance. Those two games have taken the last bit of wind from my sails. I know it's an impossible task to transition to a new formation and style mid-season on top of a pandemic but I just feel too exhausted by the misery that is United at the moment.
Not to sound a defeatist I just find watching us at the moment so fecking depressing and frustrating. Last two games have put me in such a mood afterwards, I just think it's time for me to give it a break. But it's easier said than done when you've never allowed yourself to miss a game for decades.
Sorry for the sob story. Watching my team not be able to put three passes together is painful.
How did you survive 3 years under Ole?
Those Ole interviews were frustrating as hell.
At least RR sees exactly what we are seeing.
If he fails to address the issues, he'll be fired and he knows this, so you can bet that he is attempting to fix everything wrong that he is seeing on the pitch.
The thing is Ole’s time at United is no different to his time at Cardiff in regards to tactics, decisions, etcMaybe Ole worked out these players are never going to press and best thing would be just sending them out and depending on his star players to do something
perhaps. I watched the German football correspondent on Sky who said something Along the lines that if you look at him taking hoffenheim from the 3rd/4th tier and what he did with scouting and building the squad value it is a big achievement. But the skeptic in me thought that we could accredit that to someone like Eddie Howe. Or look how Dave Moyes can punch above his weight. Its a different scenario to coming into an already huge club and already having £800m worth of players. I expect to see most of Rangnicks effect take place when he goes to the advisory role - improvements in our sports science, fitness, scouting etcHis managerial CV is far from impressive. He has mostly influenced, not mentored, the big names. This is a big difference.
I expect us to be more cohesive and entertaining to watch than what Carrick produced in 3 games come end-Jan, which really isn't much. The past 2 matches have been more akin to Ole's 4-2-4 mess.
Just an example but when he took over Leipzig after Hassenhuttl, they went from conceding a ton of goals to becoming miserly.I’m still not sure what in his CV made people assume he was going to come in and have us playing attractive, successful football immediately. He’s more of a DOF than a manager and, let’s be honest, there’s nothing to suggest he’s a top class manager at all. He may well be very useful in helping us shape the club for the future and can hopefully help with our recruitment issues but the situation is relatively similar to Ole’s time in that Liverpool, City, Chelsea and now Spurs all have considerably better managers than us. We’re in a fight for fourth place now and I suspect he and we will fall short.
There was slow progress and this season I agreed it had gone backwards, I’m not expecting Ralf to turn it around in days but part of that patience I’ve already given to Ole and previous managers is catching up to me now, I’m just sick of how bad we are and the constant negativity around the club. Sad to see.How did you survive 3 years under Ole?
Yep. Exactly this. Although I think Bruno and Sancho are capable of pressing if that's what we want. But that's not the point, we've just accepted being a "team in transition" yet again despite putting together a very talented (and expensive) squad that are not particularly well suited to the latest hipster style we've decided we should play. And they don't look at all motivated to try for the most part sadly.A serious question - have we done a very man United thing and totally flip flopped styles again? Fans on the forum saying Ralf can't get anything from Bruno, Ronaldo, pogba, Sancho and needs a team of hard working young players to be signed... If that is true, is he the stupidest interim manager possible and either should have been a long term appointment and commit to a new project / clear out the Bruno's of the team or we should have signed someone who had a chance of getting the best out of the squad we have over the time he will be here.
Given we are where we are, we should really be looking at getting a very similar manager in the summer and trying to move Bruno and rashford etc on. I know people saw rangnick doesn't get on well with hassenhuttl but rangnick will barely be involved with the club by the sounds of things, and Ralf H is the closest available manager to RR based on what we are hearing today, that he can't work with top players and needs them replaced by hard working hungrier players.
I'd be fine with that if we actually commited to it, just annoying that we 'committed' to a different type of build and recently spent 80m on Sancho and 60 on Bruno who are both two of the best players in the world
Yes. I understand the benefit of experiencing the rot first-hand but hope Rangnick’s up to the task of man-managing this dressing room. I have a sneaky suspicion that he isn’t, but I hope he proves me wrong. It’s a real pity that Carrick’s left because it was clear that he had clout over this dressing room. It’s an invaluable asset during this transitional period and Rangnick made it clear that he wanted Carrick to stay on.perhaps. I watched the German football correspondent on Sky who said something Along the lines that if you look at him taking hoffenheim from the 3rd/4th tier and what he did with scouting and building the squad value it is a big achievement. But the skeptic in me thought that we could accredit that to someone like Eddie Howe. Or look how Dave Moyes can punch above his weight. Its a different scenario to coming into an already huge club and already having £800m worth of players. I expect to see most of Rangnicks effect take place when he goes to the advisory role - improvements in our sports science, fitness, scouting etc
Yeah it's a running theme on here going back over a decade even to Fergie's time. Whenever we're in shit form half the squad are Prima Donna's, who don't work hard enough, don't fight hard enough and don't show enough 'Pashun'. And the answer of course is always just get a load of hard working players because that'll change everything for the better instantly.It's an extremely strange line of argument. For some reason whenever we look crap on the pitch (something we've done under 4 different managers and largely completely different squads), it's always the players being prima donnas. Same argument I'm trying to wrap my head around in that "Ralf should play the kids" thread.
If we had Salah and Mane up front right now, people would probably be watching them look confused in this mess and saying they "can't play pressing football".
I can only imagine that it’s tacit acknowledgement that the previous rebuild has failed and that we need a different direction. Rangnick’s way is definitely more profitable though (at the potential expense of winning titles). So there’s that for the money men.A serious question - have we done a very man United thing and totally flip flopped styles again? Fans on the forum saying Ralf can't get anything from Bruno, Ronaldo, pogba, Sancho and needs a team of hard working young players to be signed... If that is true, is he the stupidest interim manager possible and either should have been a long term appointment and commit to a new project / clear out the Bruno's of the team or we should have signed someone who had a chance of getting the best out of the squad we have over the time he will be here.
Given we are where we are, we should really be looking at getting a very similar manager in the summer and trying to move Bruno and rashford etc on. I know people saw rangnick doesn't get on well with hassenhuttl but rangnick will barely be involved with the club by the sounds of things, and Ralf H is the closest available manager to RR based on what we are hearing today, that he can't work with top players and needs them replaced by hard working hungrier players.
I'd be fine with that if we actually commited to it, just annoying that we 'committed' to a different type of build and recently spent 80m on Sancho and 60 on Bruno who are both two of the best players in the world
Yeah I would agree to that. I personally have reservations about how the likes of Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane will take to the sort of ‘this is my philosophy’ reeducation approach. These arent the sort of players who will mumble ‘i’ll do anything the boss asks me to’ in tv interviews.Yes. I understand the benefit of experiencing the rot first-hand but hope Rangnick’s up to the task of man-managing this dressing room. I have a sneaky suspicion that he isn’t, but I hope he proves me wrong. It’s a real pity that Carrick’s left because it was clear that he had clout over this dressing room. It’s an invaluable asset during this transitional period and Rangnick made it clear that he wanted Carrick to stay on.
Instead, we got a half-rate MLS coach coming in and those wanting an immediate backroom clear-out fawning over themselves.
Yep. Pretty much.Yeah I would agree to that. I personally have reservations about how the likes of Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane will take to the sort of ‘this is my philosophy’ reeducation approach. These arent the sort of players who will mumble ‘i’ll do anything the boss asks me to’ in tv interviews.
I believe that Conte would have started to do something about the awful attitude of many of the players.Dunno why people are talking about Ralf, had Conte come in we’d be seeing the same thing, horrendous attitude, mentality and application from the players who seem to clearly be downing tools already
No of course not. Although we've seen no new manager bounce to speak of, no uplift in effort from the players which usually you see short term and can get you over the hump of adjusting to the managers new methods.Did anyone really think he was going to turn it around overnight?
Rangnick was brought in as a long term plan not a short term fix, the club are well aware he'd want to instill a totally new playing style. It's very early days to be talking about moving people on, he's barely had a couple of weeks with the squad massively hampered by Covid and Carrington being closed and he is still arranging his own back room staff.A serious question - have we done a very man United thing and totally flip flopped styles again? Fans on the forum saying Ralf can't get anything from Bruno, Ronaldo, pogba, Sancho and needs a team of hard working young players to be signed... If that is true, is he the stupidest interim manager possible and either should have been a long term appointment and commit to a new project / clear out the Bruno's of the team or we should have signed someone who had a chance of getting the best out of the squad we have over the time he will be here.
Given we are where we are, we should really be looking at getting a very similar manager in the summer and trying to move Bruno and rashford etc on. I know people saw rangnick doesn't get on well with hassenhuttl but rangnick will barely be involved with the club by the sounds of things, and Ralf H is the closest available manager to RR based on what we are hearing today, that he can't work with top players and needs them replaced by hard working hungrier players.
I'd be fine with that if we actually commited to it, just annoying that we 'committed' to a different type of build and recently spent 80m on Sancho and 60 on Bruno who are both two of the best players in the world
