MackRobinson
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Two great goals. The awareness to lose the defender on the first and technique on the second were class.
The tone of your post implied they’re completely useless.Good for them. That makes it no less weird if football fans decided to read numbers instead of watching football matches. That would almost be a redefining of the word football fan. Probably redefining it to football scout or football analyst, coming to think of it.
And I’m not even sure how scouts watching tape disproves me anyway.
It is benign for a football fan I believe. I hate the term ‘eye test’ now, as if that is some sort of layman means of observing football. Football is a sport. A game. It is to be watched. Way before this ridiculous stat explosion, all of us were able to watch a football match and decide whether a player had played well or not, or whether he was a good player or not. We had individual awards by game and by season without the need for charts and graphs. Now I read things on here like ‘it’s funny because according to the stats he had x this and y that’ after a unanimously terrible performance and people are now genuinely questioning what they have just finished watching 5 minutes ago because of something they subsequently read.[
The tone of your post implied they’re completely useless.
Did Garnacho leave or something?Rashford needs competition for the LW because Sancho certainly isn't providing it. Would be a decent signing.
How is Osimhen a budget destroyer but this guy isn't? If Osimhen costs 140mn and KMM costs 100mn, I would go for Osimhen every time.This guy could be the full package when you think of someone that can not only score, but also create. That's very good when you've got other forwards like Rashford, especially. It really increases the potential to score more goals across the team. He also looks good physically to say the least. I'm liking the look of this one.
It might be a bit smarter than blowing our load on Osimhen. That's a real budget destroyer. This guy is gonna cost a packet as well of course but there could be a slight saving because Napoli paid huge amounts for Osimhen.
People used to judge players simply by watching the game. Then it became apparent that combining that with statistics led to better judgement. Thus the stats revolution in football and other sports.It is benign for a football fan I believe. I hate the term ‘eye test’ now, as if that is some sort of layman means of observing football. Football is a sport. A game. It is to be watched. Way before this ridiculous stat explosion, all of us were able to watch a football match and decide whether a player had played well or not, or whether he was a good player or not. We had individual awards by game and by season without the need for charts and graphs. Now I read things on here like ‘it’s funny because according to the stats he had x this and y that’ after a unanimously terrible performance and people are now genuinely questioning what they have just finished watching 5 minutes ago because of something they subsequently read.
I blame most of this on the narcissism of Cristiano Ronaldo tbh. I’ve been contemplating starting a wider conversation/thread about it for a while - but before he had to find a stat loophole to argue that he was a better player than a clearly superior player in Messi - everyone was comfortable just watching football and deciding who the best player was. Nobody ever claimed Gerd Muller was the best player ever or even in that conversation, although in today’s game, who knows, he’d probably be claiming he’s better than Messi and that he has the stats to prove it.
I’m fine how I am thanks, I understand football plenty because I’ve watched thousands of football matches.People used to judge players simply by watching the game. Then it became apparent that combining that with statistics led to better judgement. Thus the stats revolution in football and other sports.
I get that stats-heavy conversations can be tedious, but it seems weird to pine for a time when people objectively knew and understood less about football.
Or to complain about people using stats to counter/qualify assumed subjective opinions derived from watching games, as if that isn't literally one of the main functions that give stats their value. Because, shock horror, people's subjective opinions will often be ill-informed, biased and provably incorrect. And if you want to actually understand the sport you're watching, it's helpful to have those opinions challenged.
That depends completely on the outcome of the transfer.He’s a bit unorthodox and tricky with his dribbling. Can use both feet, not great in the air. Realistically neither of our wingers can cross, so that’s a mute point. Anymore than £50m is insane. Every player we are linked with is automatically a £100m player.
You would need to be arrogant beyond comprehension to think your subjective opinion can't sometimes be wrong or biased. Assuming you're not that much of a dick, stats are useful.I’m fine how I am thanks, I understand football plenty because I’ve watched thousands of football matches.
It doesn’t take a huge amount of arrogance for me to be satisfied in my judgement that Harry Maguire is good in the air, Casemiro makes a lot of tackles or De Bruyne makes a lot of chances without having to phone a friend. It takes no arrogance at all to be comfortable in your ability to watch football and interpret what you are seeing. I’m comfortable with that. If I encounter some form of geek who tries to present evidence that Wan-Bissaka is not good at tackling, I am comfortable dismissing it as rubbish. I believe Wan-Bissaka is good at tackling, but I’ve never had to read anything on his tackling ‘numbers’. I watch him play and I am comfortable with my ability to make that assessment.You would need to be arrogant beyond comprehension to think your subjective opinion can't sometimes be wrong or biased. Assuming you're not that much of a dick, stats are useful.
I highly recommend you leave it alone. He is obviously not going to change his opinion.You would need to be arrogant beyond comprehension to think your subjective opinion can't sometimes be wrong or biased. Assuming you're not that much of a dick, stats are useful.
You know who else has watched thousands of football matches? The people who signed Daniel James, Donny Van de Beek, Aaron Wan Bissakka, Paul Pogba (after selling him for tuppence), Martin Dubravka, Cristiano Ronaldo (part deux), Alex Telles and Alexis Sanchez. Everybody in football is confident in their ability to judge football players but somehow its the clubs that integrate advanced data scouting into their recruitment that have had by far the best recruitment outcomes in recent years.I’m fine how I am thanks, I understand football plenty because I’ve watched thousands of football matches.
Really? Or is it that you, and everyone else, ignores all of the signings that teams like Brighton and Brentford get wrong?You know who else has watched thousands of football matches? The people who signed Daniel James, Donny Van de Beek, Aaron Wan Bissakka, Paul Pogba (after selling him for tuppence), Martin Dubravka, Cristiano Ronaldo (part deux), Alex Telles and Alexis Sanchez. Everybody in football is confident in their ability to judge football players but somehow its the clubs that integrate advanced data scouting into their recruitment that have had by far the best recruitment outcomes in recent years.
Interesting option,however I want us to target the top bracket first before moving on to a Ramos or this guyScared of going for Bundesliga players but he seems like a player that could be very hard to deal with in the middle of two inverted forwards.
Passing, Dribbling from deep, some hold up play, pace, through balls and some scoring ability.
I wouldn’t surprise if ten Hag targets him.
I think the top bracket, Kane aside, is subjective. Osimhen is seen as in that bracket now, but looking deeper, it’s become something of a perfect storm for him, and I don’t see him as a different calibre of player to RKM at all. I think Napoli could easily sell VO and replace him with RKM and RKM delivers similarly and VO doesn’t where he goes.Interesting option,however I want us to target the top bracket first before moving on to a Ramos or this guy
I think you just answered why. That's a 40 million pound difference. 2/3s of a Casemiro. Or maybe a competent RB seen another way.How is Osimhen a budget destroyer but this guy isn't? If Osimhen costs 140mn and KMM costs 100mn, I would go for Osimhen every time.
I'd stake an easy 100 that Bayern won't pay 100m for this guy, good as he is (likewise the stories linking them with Osimhen are slightly ridiculous in light of who's selling him - Napoli might be worse than Levy's Tottenham for releasing players that they want to keep for anything except absurd money)Tweet
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He'll probably end up going to Bayern for less than half of that.Tweet
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In 5 years perhaps. Otherwise obviously not.He'll probably end up going to Bayern for less than half of that.
Today was a tough game for him as his team were dominated. They really aren’t that good tbh, midtable in Germany and for me, that makes 20 goals for them this season impressive.Still early on but he's not looking like a 50 million player today
Yeah I can't make my mind up about himToday was a tough game for him as his team were dominated. They really aren’t that good tbh, midtable in Germany and for me, that makes 20 goals for them this season impressive.
He’s not perfect in every way, mainly due to his CV not being as big as other candidates, not his qualities. In terms of qualities, he’s perfect, but my backing for him has factored in a percentage of calculated gamble that he translates all of that consistently to a stage we haven’t yet seen from him. That said, if he did, it wouldn’t be a shock, as he has shown all the qualities already. However, it’s still a degree of hope as it stands.Yeah I can't make my mind up about him
Ironically, with Bayern involved we're hearing the asking price is lower than 100mil.
Muani is more like Ligue 1 export than Bundelisga. He does have the intensity, physicality that would suit PL than quite a few typical made in Bundesliga players. It's just that even his improved scoring record is not that special to cost 100mil. His all round game is very good getting him 10 assist in Bundesliga. However, Bundesliga number is flatter to deceive. Sancho used to have insane numbers too.I really hope we stop shopping in the Bundesliga.
Yeah having Bayern involved isn't a bad thing because like it means the fees aren't mentalIronically, with Bayern involved we're hearing the asking price is lower than 100mil.
Lower than 100 mil but how much?
Muani is more like Ligue 1 export than Bundelisga. He does have the intensity, physicality that would suit PL than quite a few typical made in Bundesliga players. It's just that even his improved scoring record is not that special to cost 100mil. His all round game is very good getting him 10 assist in Bundesliga. However, Bundesliga number is flatter to deceive. Sancho used to have insane numbers too.
70mil Euro max and I think we can take the risk.
I don't know - suspect they'll still find a way to levy some kind of united tax because we're known as imprudent buyers... plus Bayern by all accounts seem to get a preferential buyer status when it comes to Bundesliga playersYeah having Bayern involved isn't a bad thing because like it means the fees aren't mental
That's not a thing which is why Bayern mainly don't purchase Bundesliga players.I don't know - suspect they'll still find a way to levy some kind of united tax because we're known as imprudent buyers... plus Bayern by all accounts seem to get a preferential buyer status when it comes to Bundesliga players
Yeah, and after getting burnt on Schneiderlin, Sanchez, Lukaku, or Maguire, we'll hopefully never buy players from the Premier League either.I really hope we stop shopping in the Bundesliga.