Mighty generous of you. I'll keep your suggestion in my back pocket, near said arse.
Rank the PL coaches
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Good. But seriously, what’s the use in winding up fellow United fans, as I edited into my previous post, when opposition fans and even managers are finding the most ridiculous ways to put us down likely out of fear?
On a WUM or you just a twat?
Okay Mr Captain Hindsight, it's easy to be right after the fact. At the time of the thread Ole was doing poorly hence the low rating. He is doing a lot better, if he keeps it up of course he'll deserve a higher ranking.
Would you update Ole above 9th best now or is he still 9th for you?
Need to have made a mistake in the first place. Or do you get a trophy for being 2nd on 2nd January?
We go from good spells and bad ever since OGS has taken over. ATM we are having a good spell.
Why now quote people now? Where were you on 1st November after losing to Arsenal and why weren’t calling people clueless then who had OGS low down then?
I haven't even ranked the managers but I'm curious to know what you consider to be the correct answer here?
Weird. I had Ole, Pep and Arteta close to the bottom for a standard average team to go after them, but saying they're wildcards because not enough evidence in a normal situation to judge how they are as managers. I wouldn't change my rankings much. Definitely not the tiers. Maybe change rankings within the tiers I put, but definitely wouldn't change rankings. Ole being level on top after 16 games doesn't discount that we did completely feck up in Europe, largely due to being coached poorly. Long way to go this season.
I was wrong, it happens, I'll happily admit it, and that really doesn't bother me. The sad thing here is that you crawled this thread to gather all the posts that turned out wrong and 'expose' those posters - who never even commented on you. How small-time can you be. Hope you're enjoying your Saturday this way.
Edit: Wait, you never even expressed your own opinion! Next level of small-time.
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Well, based on this and last season only, which was the criteria for my original ranking, I’d probably upgrade him to 6th considering what we’re doing now, behind Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Rodgers and Hassenhuttl.
I would’ve reasoned with supporters like you to not jump off the proverbial bridge and overreact but at this point just take the fecking plunge.
Some people are actually clinging onto the CL exit 
Don't agree with that. You could argue that Ole is better than some that have been put above him but Ole wouldn't keep Burnley in the Premier League on the budget. Ole is a good fit for Utd but he has also a lot of money to work with.
If I was doing this now he might have moved up a couple of positions but titles and experience plus working wonders season after season trumps good run with a very good squad.
To be fair they don't have much else to work with at the moment...Some people are actually clinging onto the CL exit
I don't think it's small time at all to remind some
people that they had Ole in the BOTTOM 3 managers in the league only 3 months ago after he finished the previous season in 3rd and showed a massive improvement in our intent to play attacking football.
And there is no guarantee even Pep or Klopp would do well. Doesn't make them bad managers on basis of that, would it?
Klopp has proven qualities with little budget so I am going with yes there. Pep has titles up the wazoo so he is clearly better.
If that was his point, he could've made it without quoting dozens of people. It would also have been useful to add a point of his own. For example: 'Given how the season's playing out, where would everyone rank Ole now? In my opinion, etc.' That would have been constructive. This is moaning that pollutes the thread.
Also, it wasn't just about Ole, as some of the posts quoted don't mention him at all.
Again the argument is not whether Ole is better than Klopp or Pep (he clearly is not). But your argument was Ole wouldn't keep Burnley in the PL because of limited budget. To my point there is no guarantee other managers could do the same or that Ole cannot do better than Dyche.
I agree, it’s nice to remind posters that post nonsense that their posts are nonsense now and again so hopefully they don’t post so much of it.
fitst page of this thread is funny, I laughed seeing posters put Ole dead last
Exactly the reason I did it. I don't get why our own fans need to put down our manager. Who, btw, has delivered on his expectations and then some (even looking at last year).
In this case, more of a WUM. In every day life? Definitely a twat.
So, basically you change your opinion based on a few results? So, I guess then Ole is now the second best in the league? And definitely above Jose, Pep and Ancelotti?
Can you remind me of the bad spells? Especially the recent ones. Since you say we go from good to bad, I guess there was at least one recently.
And while you're at it, can you tell me which manager doesn't have bad spells?
Well, I didn't rank the managers as for me the question is too complex and, if I were to seriously consider it, it has to be broken down in pieces. Are we looking at historical achievements? Are we looking at last 12 months? Are we looking at performance and results only? Are we looking at context of the teams they manage? Are we looking at less tangible criteria like squad harmony, board and shareholders happiness?
I guess the team is coached poorly but every win comes from thin air and individual brilliance, right? And I'm sure that when we drew the CL groups, you were certain we would walk those games.
So, what's the point of ranking managers? And what's the criteria? Who is the best at keeping Burnley up?
My answer was Klopp has worked with limited budget and done well. And the other one has city the experience and titles to prove his quality. Dyche has worked wonders with Burnley that I don't think many would argue is remarkable. Ole is still young and has looked at times well out of his depth, that said he had shown resilience and toughness like he did as a player. Let's see how he does this season, if titles come and we will be competing through the season he e will clearly move up the table. But let's not get ahead of ourselves he has been one match away from the sack all season.
I took him because he is one of those who has done a great job on no budget at all. And I put him above Ole in the list. Hüttl is another think he is a better manager than Ole but don't think he would be a better fit for Utd. Like I said hindsight and all that, I have been very positive towards Ole most of the time I even spoke about him getting a chance to finish this season when everybody wanted him out. Hope he proved the lot of us wrong here but he hasn't done anything remarkable at all yet.
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I did. The thread was quoted in another discussion, I came in to see what people said as when it was active I didn't pay much attention. Because it is a ridiculous question to begin with. Without clarifying criteria there is no point in ranking managers. But am sure glad we are second in the league, on same points with the leaders. That's one hell of an achievement for a supposedly trash manager...
You're right, I missed Smith and Hasenhüttl in my ranking. They should have been up there!
You can’t group people who have Ole dead last with others who had him middle of the road in a league that has names like Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Bielsa, Mourinho, as well as managers who have achieved big feats with smaller teams over many, many years in the PL.
Putting him middle of the road at this stage is perfectly acceptable.
Putting him middle of the road at this stage is perfectly acceptable.
There you go! I may make this a recurring public service.
I know everyone is entitled for opinion but looking back at some and to see arteta as a top 6 manager in PL is pretty funny.
I agree with your point about a manager being right for his club. But then ask you what remarkable things have most of the ones in the PL done? Hasenhüttl included.
Don't be condescending, please. You're not the arbiter of the Caf.
6. Hasenhutl
7. Santo
8. Dyche
9. Hodgson
10. Rodgers
Ok this lot here goes nothing.
6.Hasenhutl
Won the 2.bundesliga with Ingolstadt. Promoted for the first time in their history to the Bundesliga.
Secured their place in the Bundesliga before moving to Leipzig. Built a great foundation there before leaving when they hired Nagelsmann for the next season. After taking over a broken Southampton side after Sparky's work he secured their place and has built a really solid side there.
7. Santo
Probably the only one there I would move Ole above. But has done fantastic work at Wolves but so has Ole.
8.Dyche
We have spoken about this so you know my thoughts on this. For me one of the best managers in the league we will see if he can step up now with new owners and more money. But he is pushing this Burnley side well above their weight.
9.Hodgson
Been in the game long enough, changed teams an ideas. National teams and club teams. He is a top manage who has done it all. His work at WBA and Palace is just fantastic.
10.Rodgers
Did great work with Swansea before getting the Liverpool job. Did well there but couldn't finish the job. Celtic next where he dominated the league before moving to Leicester where he has done a really good job on a lower budget than his competition.
You might argue the places and maybe Ole should be above some there but at the time and still this is my feeling towards it. Like last season the season isn't over in January let's see how this season pans out before putting Ole on a pedestal. But I don't argue with the work he is doing but like I said give him couple of bad results and most here are back to way over his head and clueless.
I disagree. You can see from the more than sizeable proportion of supporters who backed him to the hilt that it was remarkably easy to well, support the club and it's manager through thick and thin.
It's a shame that others among us didn't do the same.
Hassenhutl is better because he won the German second division and got Ingolstadt's first promotion? How does that compare to Ole winning Moore's first two titles consecutively in what was then a notoriously one team league like Norway's? And what's more, unlike Hassenhutl, he sustained his success into a second season and just like you said Ralph built the foundation for Leipzig, so too did Ole at Molde in his second stint, as they won their league with the young team that Ole built.
Ole has won nothing yet. He is near the bottom based on what he has done so far.
Although rate them for different jobs. If you asked which managers would you rather have at United than Ole then they might be few.
Klopp, Pep certain yes. Rodgers, Hassenhutl, Anchelotti, Bielsa, Smith maybe. The rest probably not. We already tried Moyes and Mourinho and I don't think people want them back even though they are better managers than Ole in general.
Although rate them for different jobs. If you asked which managers would you rather have at United than Ole then they might be few.
Klopp, Pep certain yes. Rodgers, Hassenhutl, Anchelotti, Bielsa, Smith maybe. The rest probably not. We already tried Moyes and Mourinho and I don't think people want them back even though they are better managers than Ole in general.
Ole might be near the bottom for most clubs but as far as what they can do for United I would imagine Klopp would be better and very few others if any. "Best man" and "best man for the job" are very different expressions.
I wish to make a snide remark about Frank Lampard and Arteta but they both are young for coaches and seem like good blokes so I will avoid it.
Santo is drastically underrated.
I wish to make a snide remark about Frank Lampard and Arteta but they both are young for coaches and seem like good blokes so I will avoid it.
Santo is drastically underrated.
It’s fantastic having a legend in charge like Ole, but this sort of comment is outdated in 2020.
Look at literally any other top club who didn’t have the greatest manager of all time running the club from top to bottom for over two decades.
Supporting the team is a given, and it’s lamentable that some weren’t doing that when results were going badly, but questioning the head coach in 2020 is as valid as questioning the number 9 on their goal scoring.
At literally every other top club in Europe, the head coach is replaceable and, more often than not, is at the club for less time than a starting player in any said position.
This whole idea that having doubts about the head coach/manager of the football team that you love, means you don’t love said team, needs to stop.
It’s that very love for the club that makes someone worry and lament on an Internet forum in the first place.
Not wanting to get stuck in an endless debate about who's better than who. People were asked and people answered. Ole had money in Norway Ingolstadt had non, Ole had a heroes status in Norway and could pick the cream of the crops, Ralf had non we could go on and on.
There is no right or wrong here just opinions.
Thing for me is Ole has done little, won nothing at Utd with a ridiculously expensive squad but it looks like he is going in the right direction. If things keep on going in this direction he will get the hero status here too. Guess we will have to wait and see.
Given we’ve still not won anything or really achieved anything as a team it’s weird this thread is being bumped by a poster in an ‘I told you so’ manner. At the seasons’ end it will be interesting to see how and why managers climb/fall in the rankings. Let’s just pray Ole can keep this form up and we have cause to celebrate!
Wilder probably going to be the biggest fall you’d imagine already though!
Wilder probably going to be the biggest fall you’d imagine already though!