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Anybody else not celebrate Hojlund's goal because they thought it was offside?

And then still didn't celebrate until the replay because they were convinced it was offside?

Basically, feck VAR.
Yep not even a minor cheer. Completely thought it was off, fecking VAR…
 

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We all want to be positive, but there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that a player’s performances have improved recently. Rasmus always worked hard, but shots that were hitting the keeper are now just out of reach of the keeper. I’ll grant you fine margins, but fine margins are the difference between playing well and playing very well. Rasmus is now playing very well, and I hope we agree that there’s still room for further improvement.
Of course, I’m just not buying the narrative that his recent goals are due to him improving. How many shots has he had where he hit the keeper? How many chances has he had? Very few. You cannot base anything on fine margins until there’s an adequate sample size.
 

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Yep. I just sat there waiting for it to be chalked off.

I still would keep VAR as I genuinely think people have forgotten how annoying it is to have a goal scored against you that is clearly offside or whatever. But we need some form of almost instantaneous automatic decision.
I wonder if the Lino could do a half flag or some other signal or something - basically to indicate its a tight one.... might just help give fans/players a pause?
 

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If he hit 20 goals in all comps it’d be a fantastic first season.

For reference - Nunez got 15 in all comps his first season.
 

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Delighted for him, would have 5 or 6 more goals if Martinez, Shaw & Casemiro hadn't missed so much football.


Did he score many headed goals for Atlanta?
 

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5 goals and 2 assists in his last 6 games (since the new year started). I think something that plays a part in his turn in form is getting some rest between matches. He joined with his back slightly fecked and didn't get much rotation during the frantic periods of the season owing to Martial's injury problems.

One a week until the end of the season will do him fine.
 

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Of course, I’m just not buying the narrative that his recent goals are due to him improving. How many shots has he had where he hit the keeper? How many chances has he had? Very few. You cannot base anything on fine margins until there’s an adequate sample size.
Only situation like that, that i can think off right now, is against Liverpool. His shot hit Alisson that game. He could have done better but Alisson is a fantastic goalkeeper who will make impressive saves.
 

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Spare me the condescension. I've defended him in this thread when he was being compared to Weghorst, so yeah, I noticed his potential. But when he started his first touch wasn't great and he kept losing the ball the very few times it was played to him. His touch still isn't perfect, but it has gotten better which has enabled him to hold the ball up better.
Sorry, can see how it sounded a bit arrogant. Of course he’s improved, but that’s not the main reason that he’s begun scoring now, I think. He’d very likely have scored the same goals had he gotten the same chances in September.
 

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Anybody else not celebrate Hojlund's goal because they thought it was offside?

And then still didn't celebrate until the replay because they were convinced it was offside?

Basically, feck VAR.
How is your “feck VAR” position justified in this instance?
 

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Anybody else not celebrate Hojlund's goal because they thought it was offside?

And then still didn't celebrate until the replay because they were convinced it was offside?

Basically, feck VAR.
I was watching highlights as I missed the game and even then I was like "hang on, surely this will be checked"
 

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Of course, I’m just not buying the narrative that his recent goals are due to him improving. How many shots has he had where he hit the keeper? How many chances has he had? Very few. You cannot base anything on fine margins until there’s an adequate sample size.
I don’t keep those stats but I recall shots from reasonably close range that didn’t result in a score. Now they are. But I do agree that we’re comparing small sample sizes, the first half of the season compared to the second half of the season, which not even halfway through yet. But the uptick in firm is noticeable.
 

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Anybody else not celebrate Hojlund's goal because they thought it was offside?

And then still didn't celebrate until the replay because they were convinced it was offside?

Basically, feck VAR.
I do this for basically every single goal that isn't a longe range belter now. Just waiting for some infraction to be pulled up in replay.
 

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Because without VAR you could celebrate instantly?
VAR doesn’t stop you from celebrating instantly though - that’s why I’m struggling to understand the justification for your position - in this context at least.

To clarify - you give more consideration to your apprehension at celebrating instantly than potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?

obviously the implementation of VAR isn’t without error, but imagine losing season defining games to offside goals - because “instant celebration”. What?
 

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VAR doesn’t stop you from celebrating instantly though - that’s why I’m struggling to understand the justification for your position - in this context at least.

To clarify - you give more consideration to your apprehension at celebrating instantly than potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?

obviously the implementation of VAR isn’t without error, but imagine losing season defining games to offside goals - because “instant celebration”. What?
Do you go to live games?
 

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Because without VAR you could celebrate instantly?
That goal was no different to the pre VAR days though? We knew it would be tight and I looked to the lino before celebrating. Sure, with VAR you wait a little more, but I celebrate every goal unless it's obviously off.
 

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That goal was no different to the pre VAR days though? We knew it would be tight and I looked to the lino before celebrating. Sure, with VAR you wait a little more, but I celebrate every goal unless it's obviously off.
I'm confused as to how it's no different?

Pre VAR - you have to wait a second for the players or commentator to mention an offside flag - now you could have two mins of everyone ambling about before you get the dreaded VAR cut to the screen. You can't relax until the game kicks off.
 

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I'm confused as to how it's no different?

Pre VAR - you have to wait a second for the players or commentator to mention an offside flag - now you could have two mins of everyone ambling about before you get the dreaded VAR cut to the screen. You can't relax until the game kicks off.
I guess because the 'live' goal looked tight but the replay immediately showed it was fine so I didn't really think of VAR. I celebrated as it went in but in both cases I am subconsciously waiting for a few seconds for a whistle.
 

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I guess because the 'live' goal looked tight but the replay immediately showed it was fine so I didn't really think of VAR. I celebrated as it went in but in both cases I am subconsciously waiting for a few seconds for a whistle.
My problem with VAR for TV watching pales in comparison to it's effect on watching us home and away anyway.
 

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VAR doesn’t stop you from celebrating instantly though - that’s why I’m struggling to understand the justification for your position - in this context at least.

To clarify - you give more consideration to your apprehension at celebrating instantly than potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?

obviously the implementation of VAR isn’t without error, but imagine losing season defining games to offside goals - because “instant celebration”. What?
Well, it's more like, how can I fully celebrate a goal if I think it will be disallowed? Hard to get lost in the moment of a goal if you're convinced that the VAR will disallow it anyway.

VAR has its uses for offside though - which is why I would be for a "soft signal" from Linesman when a goal is scored on a tight offside.

However VAR now also gives you the opportunity to lose season defining games by ridiculous handball decisions and/or other terrible calls - so I think "feck VAR" is a totally valid statement in general
 

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Anybody else not celebrate Hojlund's goal because they thought it was offside?

And then still didn't celebrate until the replay because they were convinced it was offside?

Basically, feck VAR.
Not really a ‘feck VAR’ situation though, more the opposite. If everyone thought the goal was offside, we’d simply just get a flag and we all move on, later lamenting that the replays showed it was indeed on and we were robbed. VAR, in this instance, ensured you got the chance to celebrate at all!
 

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He's going to be a very complete striker. There is really little that he misses. Fast, strong, tall, good aerially, good in hold up play, link up play, can carry the ball, has a venomous shot on him and can actually create for others. If we were a proper team he'd already be scoring for fun in the PL, fantastic signing.
He’s not particularly good aerially at all I’d say, definitely one of his obvious areas to improve I think.
 

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Not really a ‘feck VAR’ situation though, more the opposite. If everyone thought the goal was offside, we’d simply just get a flag and we all move on, later lamenting that the replays showed it was indeed on and we were robbed. VAR, in this instance, ensured you got the chance to celebrate at all!
Well in this instance VAR stopped us from celebrating instantly as the lino didn't flag.

But yes, in a situation where the lino had flagged we'd have been robbed.
 

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Well, it's more like, how can I fully celebrate a goal if I think it will be disallowed? Hard to get lost in the moment of a goal if you're convinced that the VAR will disallow it anyway.
this isn’t specific to VAR, though. You were convinced VAR would disallow it because you thought he was offside - and if you think a goal will be disallowed, your ability to celebrate and get lost in the moment is hampered either way - outside of “I hope we can get away with this bad call

However VAR now also gives you the opportunity to lose season defining games by ridiculous handball decisions and/or other terrible calls - so I think "feck VAR" is a totally valid statement in general
Thus me saying “VAR implementation isn’t without error, but I’m confused by that stance and your justification in this instance and context.
 

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Well in this instance VAR stopped us from celebrating instantly as the lino didn't flag.

But yes, in a situation where the lino had flagged we'd have been robbed.
This doesnt happen in a vacuum though. The lino didn’t flag so that it could be checked by VAR. The commentators on my stream even emphasised so.

Considering the number of people that thought he was off, high chance that gets flagged without VAR.
 

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My problem with VAR for TV watching pales in comparison to it's effect on watching us home and away anyway.
In TV your eye can mostly see it whether it's off straight away so its not an issue and the replays come up almost instantly, live at games it's a disaster you celebrate then are left waiting for minutes sometimes before you know
 

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VAR doesn’t stop you from celebrating instantly though - that’s why I’m struggling to understand the justification for your position - in this context at least.

To clarify - you give more consideration to your apprehension at celebrating instantly than potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?

obviously the implementation of VAR isn’t without error, but imagine losing season defining games to offside goals - because “instant celebration”. What?
I'm struggling to understand that you don't seem to think an enormous part of football has been lost in celebrating goals as they go in because we instead, very often, have to wait a few minutes now, and it colours every goal that goes in now because you wonder if it'll stand.
 

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Yep. I just sat there waiting for it to be chalked off.

I still would keep VAR as I genuinely think people have forgotten how annoying it is to have a goal scored against you that is clearly offside or whatever. But we need some form of almost instantaneous automatic decision.
Semi automatic offside exists... I can live with fouls being missed/dives being called, but the tech is there for pretty much instant offside checks. Wouldn't change yesterday's reaction, he looked off in real time
 

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this isn’t specific to VAR, though. You were convinced VAR would disallow it because you thought he was offside - and if you think a goal will be disallowed, your ability to celebrate and get lost in the moment is hampered either way - outside of “I hope we can get away with this bad call
Agree to disagree on this - in a non-VAR world, yeah you don't celebrate instantly, but 2 seconds later when you realise there's not flag you can go bonkers (a prime example would be Quinton Fortune's goal against Middlesbrough in a 4-3 win 20 odd years ago if you remember that). Where as with VAR you have to wait until the replay (or in the stadium until the check is over) to properly celebrate, at which point the magic has gone.


This doesnt happen in a vacuum though. The lino didn’t flag so that it could be checked by VAR. The commentators on my stream even emphasised so.

Considering the number of people that thought he was off, high chance that gets flagged without VAR.
Nah that's not how it works - if the linesman doesn't think its offside, he doesn't flag - simple as that.

Goals always get checked so its irrelevant to that process if he flags for a goal or not.
 

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My guess before the season for him was roughly 15 goals... Keep this up and he could we'll hit 20 in all competitions. If he gets a 1 in 2 record for the rest of the season and stays fit, he'll get close to it.
 

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I'm struggling to understand that you don't seem to think an enormous part of football has been lost in celebrating goals as they go in because we instead, very often, have to wait a few minutes now, and it colours every goal that goes in now because you wonder if it'll stand.
You’re probably struggling to understand that because it’s not a position I’ve taken, argued against or even spoken on - since it’s not what I’m discussing in the exchange I’m having in this thread
 

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Agree to disagree on this - in a non-VAR world, yeah you don't celebrate instantly, but 2 seconds later when you realise there's not flag you can go bonkers (a prime example would be Quinton Fortune's goal against Middlesbrough in a 4-3 win 20 odd years ago if you remember that). Where as with VAR you have to wait until the replay (or in the stadium until the check is over) to properly celebrate, at which point the magic has gone.
I actually don’t remember that goal, I’ll look it up. But again, consideration to apprehension at celebrating instantly > potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?

Nah that's not how it works - if the linesman doesn't think its offside, he doesn't flag - simple as that.

Goals always get checked so its irrelevant to that process if he flags for a goal or not.
In which case - this seems to be confirmation to my question above, then?
 

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I actually don’t remember that goal, I’ll look it up. But again, consideration to apprehension at celebrating instantly > potential bad/wrong decisions deciding games/seasons?



In which case - this seems to be confirmation to my question above, then?
Drogba's offside goal against us that decided the title was a heartbreaker, but I'd still take how football was back then over VAR. VAR has made it an immensely less enjoyable experience.
 

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My guess before the season for him was roughly 15 goals... Keep this up and he could we'll hit 20 in all competitions. If he gets a 1 in 2 record for the rest of the season and stays fit, he'll get close to it.
6 of our next 7 games are very winnable, so he could be on 15 goals by then with 9 games remaining minimum assuming we beat Forrest in the cup.
20 is definitely achievable.
 

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Next step is for him to start scoring more than once in a game (in the league). His last 4 have come quite early in games and he’s barely threatened the goal after them. Increasing his goalscoring moments during games is an objective for both him and the rest of the team.
 

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Next step is for him to start scoring more than once in a game (in the league). His last 4 have come quite early in games and he’s barely threatened the goal after them. Increasing his goalscoring moments during games is an objective for both him and the rest of the team.
If you watch him off the ball, he makes loads of runs but nobody passes to him.

On Reddit there's a highlight package of United chances and you can see him constantly making runs.
Garnacho in particular is a little greedy and lacking vision although obviously I like him and he's a great talent.