Or signing 10 new players...
Realistic Summer 2017: Ins & Outs
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Maybe they don't know what the word means... because something isn't right with some of these predictions
Out
Rooney (Everton/China)
Zlatan (MLS)
Januzaj (some PL team)
Darmian
In
Greizmann
Lukaku (Morata goes to Chelsea)
Fabinho
Matuidi/Dier
4-2-3-1
De Gea
Fabinho Mike Bailly Shaw
Dier/Matuidi Pogba
Mkhitaryan Greizmann Martial
Lukaku
Rooney (Everton/China)
Zlatan (MLS)
Januzaj (some PL team)
Darmian
In
Greizmann
Lukaku (Morata goes to Chelsea)
Fabinho
Matuidi/Dier
4-2-3-1
De Gea
Fabinho Mike Bailly Shaw
Dier/Matuidi Pogba
Mkhitaryan Greizmann Martial
Lukaku
CB - Keane
DM - Fabinho or Dier
Striker - Greizzy
Winger - Silva
MF - Pereira to be promoted to squad player
I'm not convinced we'll get fullbacks this summer.
Out
Jones
Rooney
Januzaj
DM - Fabinho or Dier
Striker - Greizzy
Winger - Silva
MF - Pereira to be promoted to squad player
I'm not convinced we'll get fullbacks this summer.
Out
Jones
Rooney
Januzaj
Not 400£, but we should sign 10 new players.
Out
De Gea
Martial
Rooney
Jones
Januzaj
In
Griezmann
Lukaku
Matuidi
Keane
Tierney
Oblak
De Gea
Martial
Rooney
Jones
Januzaj
In
Griezmann
Lukaku
Matuidi
Keane
Tierney
Oblak
What we need:
A LB, CM, winger and a striker (maybe 2).
A LB, CM, winger and a striker (maybe 2).
That's nearly a new starting 11!
Yup, I think it is necessary: our centerback options are poor, our fullbacks are not very good, our midfield isn't very good except for Pogba, our attack is very disappointing both in creating chances and finishing them and ofc if DDG leaves you need to replace him.
No that would be absolutley crazy ! £380m is more than enough. Net spend would among the lines off £175m in my example which is £25m more than what we spend last summer
In: Oblak (if DDG goes); Keane; Dier; Raktic; Griezmann; Lukaku
Out: DDG; Jones; Rooney; Zlatan; Mata;
Out: DDG; Jones; Rooney; Zlatan; Mata;
Wrong calcs used. Net spend is measured over a season or you are missing out 1/2 transfer windows.
Our net spend was 110m this season which you think will increase by another 65m.
On top of that you are discounting a very important factor which is agent fees. If you buy a player for 30m and sell another for 30m you are not breaking even. Agent fees are on top reported transfer costs. We paid Raiola alone 16m last season. The more transfers, the more you lose on agent fees.
None of what you posted is remotely realistic.
Griezmann is priority, along with Donarumma/Oblak if DDG leaves.
Aside from that, any/as many of VVD, Fabinho, Dendoncker, Mendy, Willian
Aside from that, any/as many of VVD, Fabinho, Dendoncker, Mendy, Willian
Don't want to sign players with any recurring history of injuries, as it's a problem that hampers us every single season. How can chelsea manage to keep everyone fit despite having a smaller squad than us? Obviously no europe but we have a CB crisis every year it seems
Amazing team.
But Martial will never get into my team ahead of Rashford. Absolutely love that kid. Heart, speed, skills, properly screwed head.
And where's Valencia?
Hope to see a left back too.
GK: de Gea, Romero
RB: Fabinho, Valencia (Young)
CB: Bailly, Rojo, Smalling, Jones
LB: New, Shaw (Young)
DM: Matuidi/Dier (Fabinho)
CM: Pogba, Pereira, Herrera, Fellaini, Carrick,
RW: Mhiki, Lingard
SS: Griezmann, Mata
LW: Martial, (Rashford)
Striker: Lukaku, Rashford
Add Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe on the bench.
The players gives us the opportunity to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.
de Gea
Fabinho - Bailly - Rojo - LB
Matuidi/Dier - Pogba
Mhiki - Griezmann - Rashford
Lukaku
de Gea
Fabinho - Bailly - Rojo - LB
Matuidi/Dier
Herrera - Pogba
Mhiki - Lukaku - Griezmann
Instead of Matuidi/Dier use Fabinho and place Valencia on RB.
We spend £150m last summer with no intent on selling Schneiderlin and Depay in the winter. We sold them because they weren't good enough and haven't replaced them yet. So it makes sense to think United will have that £40m extra to spend this summer.
Does not matter if you count it on this season or the next, it is about having the money and if you can use it. We sold a Midfielder and an Attacker that both were in Jose plans at the start of the summer and we haven't replaced them.
Also Schweinsteiger left
It is likley Rooney and Zlatan will leave
Carrick might retire
Possible that DDG will leave
And given how unhappy Jose is with Shaw, Jones and Smalling, it would be highly likley one or several of them could leave aswell
Than there is the case that some top italian team comes knocking on the door for Darmian as he has not been very good for us and they might lure him away with a decent offer (for which they now have the cash to do so)
Compared to the squad we started with at the start of the season, we will have lost atleast 5 or 6 players.
Given our team lacks depth, Jose isn't overly keen on using young players alot and we have struggled all season long in the PL to win games. It would be foolish to think their won't be a massive influx of players this summer.
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IN
Fabinho is very realistic. Jose gave him his debut, he is represented by Jorge Mendes and he wants to play in England. I am sticking my neck out that Fabinho will be here next season.
Griezmann is realistic. United is one of the few teams that can afford him, his pal, Pogba plays for United, his brother is a big fan, Simeone's future is uncertain, Jose's football is close to Simeone's and Griezmann has expressed some interest in the premier league.
Keane is realistic. for all the most obvious reasons.
Bellotti is realistic (so is Lukaku but you just have to wonder about his past with Mourinho). He fits into Mourinho's idea of a striker, he plays in the Serie A for Torino, United can afford him.
Joao Cancelo is realistic: Cheap, Portuguese, would fit well and some reports claim Jose has been keen.
One more midfielder: a number of options. Not sure who.
OUT
Rooney
Zlatan
Shaw
Young
Jones
Martial (I have a feeling he will want to leave and Jose will be happy to let him go)
Dermian
Fabinho is very realistic. Jose gave him his debut, he is represented by Jorge Mendes and he wants to play in England. I am sticking my neck out that Fabinho will be here next season.
Griezmann is realistic. United is one of the few teams that can afford him, his pal, Pogba plays for United, his brother is a big fan, Simeone's future is uncertain, Jose's football is close to Simeone's and Griezmann has expressed some interest in the premier league.
Keane is realistic. for all the most obvious reasons.
Bellotti is realistic (so is Lukaku but you just have to wonder about his past with Mourinho). He fits into Mourinho's idea of a striker, he plays in the Serie A for Torino, United can afford him.
Joao Cancelo is realistic: Cheap, Portuguese, would fit well and some reports claim Jose has been keen.
One more midfielder: a number of options. Not sure who.
OUT
Rooney
Zlatan
Shaw
Young
Jones
Martial (I have a feeling he will want to leave and Jose will be happy to let him go)
Dermian
Is he the knock-off version of Darmian?
That's not even remotely realistic though and we'd probably end up whining about being 6th again as the new players take time to settle and some of them inevitably don't work out.
I've been a proponent of keeping squad turnover to a minimum this summer, but with the Zlatan, Rojo and Shaw injuries (and Shaw's form/fitness in general) I don't see how we get away with less than five signings (CB/LB/DM/AM/ST), which is already quite the disruption.
Is the queston perhaps how long can we afford not to be competing in CL and the premier league? How long before that starts to hurt us? Liverpool once thought they were a empire that would last forever but they never do. We should not underestimate the hole we are in and if you go and compare the quaility of past United sides to this and the past 3 to 4 seasons there is no surprise we are not doing better. Under Fergie we had a huge chunk of the best players in the Uk and players that could go into most top sides in Europe. There are not many today that could do that. I think Mourinho will get us back if he gets the money needed as I trust his judgement on players as proved by the 4 signings he made already. What other way is there? Wait for a new batch of wonderkids to come through? We sold 3 players already that were on big salaries and it seems we will be selling a lot more this summer. So unless we are going to be playing the kids more next season we will need 6 to 8 players.
Knock yourself out with spelling checks, Tadpole.
Ballbague is convinced we'll spend £400 and City £200. How does he draw this kind of ridiculous conclusion?
I'm saying that since we already are going to buy 4-5 new players the squad will still be quite disrupted as you say it. Then why not replace the "out of date" backup players that we have anyways. Since they are not, and most likely never will be good enough if we are to competing for title in PL, try to compete in CL, and also take part in cups.
If you remember JM first season in Chelsea 04/05 he bought 8/9 players and sold/released the same amount during the summer transfer window. And as you remember he still won the league. Saying that changing many players causes disruption in a team, players needs time to settle etc. Is not necessarily true in all cases. And since there is not a European or World Championship this summer, most of the players will take part in the pre-season. If it is probable or realistic to think that we will replace half the squad? No. But there is always a difference between what we should do and what we will do. And we should replace half the squad, but we will as you say it buy 5-6 more players.
Usually i would agree with you on having a steady changover of 2-3 players a year. But the Squad/players as of now is simply not good enough.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/30575...-right-to-play-down-man-united-transfer-churn
So Woodward tells investors that he expects to see less churn of players (transfers in and out) than in previous seasons. Mourinho then says "We prefer to bring two, three or four players, but good players. Players that feel an idea, a football that we try to play, that can improve our squad. We are not interested in selling six or seven and buy six or seven, and from this six or seven only one or two are great quality. All the others are the same as the ones we are selling. We are not going to play this game, we are stable, so we think our market in the summer will be soft, will be natural. Some players to leave, some players to come but in a very natural way, so I think the word Ed used was a good one."
(Article written 10th Feb. At that time we were 6th in the PL)
Woodward original quote (feb 9th I think):
"Are we happy with the roster at this point? Yes, I think there's a happiness from the manager at this point, as you can tell in all his recent interviews in terms of where we are as a squad. I think there's always going to be continual improvement. I think even if you win everything, you still want to improve the squad - that's the nature of the dynamic industry that we're in.
But I think we aren't necessarily in a position where we have to churn a large number of players.
I think I've guided before that we want to get to a more steady state and be buying and potentially selling a lower number of players each year. I think we're in that kind of environment now compared to where we were two, three years ago, when perhaps there was a little more churn required from the playing squad perspective."
So Woodward tells investors that he expects to see less churn of players (transfers in and out) than in previous seasons. Mourinho then says "We prefer to bring two, three or four players, but good players. Players that feel an idea, a football that we try to play, that can improve our squad. We are not interested in selling six or seven and buy six or seven, and from this six or seven only one or two are great quality. All the others are the same as the ones we are selling. We are not going to play this game, we are stable, so we think our market in the summer will be soft, will be natural. Some players to leave, some players to come but in a very natural way, so I think the word Ed used was a good one."
(Article written 10th Feb. At that time we were 6th in the PL)
Woodward original quote (feb 9th I think):
"Are we happy with the roster at this point? Yes, I think there's a happiness from the manager at this point, as you can tell in all his recent interviews in terms of where we are as a squad. I think there's always going to be continual improvement. I think even if you win everything, you still want to improve the squad - that's the nature of the dynamic industry that we're in.
But I think we aren't necessarily in a position where we have to churn a large number of players.
I think I've guided before that we want to get to a more steady state and be buying and potentially selling a lower number of players each year. I think we're in that kind of environment now compared to where we were two, three years ago, when perhaps there was a little more churn required from the playing squad perspective."
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Depends on how Jose views Fabinho. Does he look at him as a RB or a defensive Mid who can play RB when needed? If it's the latter I can see him buying Fabinho to play alongside Pogba and keeping Valencia at RB for another season. Honestly he can play at a high level for another 2-3 years considering the great shape he's in.
You're right
Bare minimum, we need a winger/10, an LB and a starting quality CM or DM.
If we beat Ajax, I think we'll spend big. Something like Griezmann, Belotti/Lukaku, Mendy, and N'Zonzi would improve us significantly.
-------------Lukaku----------- (Rashford)
Mkhitaryan-----------Griezmann (Martial, Mata, Lingard)
--------Pogba-----Herrera------- (Fellaini, Pereira)
-------------N'Zonzi-------------- (Herrera, Carrick)
Mendy------------------Valencia (Shaw, Darmian, Young)
---------Rojo-----Bailly---------- (Smalling, Blind, Tuanzebe)
-------------De Gea-------------- (Romero)
we sell Rooney, Jones and Januzaj.
It's nowhere near perfect, since we lack a proven 9, any real central midfield depth and Rojo is starting and Lingard still in the squad, but if we get decent health through the year and either Rashford or Martial makes the leap, that's a very balanced side that I think Mourinho could turn into a proper defensive unit and there's enough attacking talent and technical quality there to win games as long as our finishing progresses to the mean.
It's not what I would do, exactly, but I think Mourinho will be ruthless and look to sign the minimum number of players but guys ready to step in immediately and play 45-50 games next year and compliment the players he trust that are here to do that, which are Rashford, Pogba, Herrera, Valencia, Bailly and De Gea. So I wouldn't rule out a passing/organizing CB being bought to pair with Bailly either. The only thing that would really surprise me would be a 10 (that wasn't clearly a Woodward move), an expensive RB or RCB as I think he trusts Bailly and Valencia.
If we beat Ajax, I think we'll spend big. Something like Griezmann, Belotti/Lukaku, Mendy, and N'Zonzi would improve us significantly.
-------------Lukaku----------- (Rashford)
Mkhitaryan-----------Griezmann (Martial, Mata, Lingard)
--------Pogba-----Herrera------- (Fellaini, Pereira)
-------------N'Zonzi-------------- (Herrera, Carrick)
Mendy------------------Valencia (Shaw, Darmian, Young)
---------Rojo-----Bailly---------- (Smalling, Blind, Tuanzebe)
-------------De Gea-------------- (Romero)
we sell Rooney, Jones and Januzaj.
It's nowhere near perfect, since we lack a proven 9, any real central midfield depth and Rojo is starting and Lingard still in the squad, but if we get decent health through the year and either Rashford or Martial makes the leap, that's a very balanced side that I think Mourinho could turn into a proper defensive unit and there's enough attacking talent and technical quality there to win games as long as our finishing progresses to the mean.
It's not what I would do, exactly, but I think Mourinho will be ruthless and look to sign the minimum number of players but guys ready to step in immediately and play 45-50 games next year and compliment the players he trust that are here to do that, which are Rashford, Pogba, Herrera, Valencia, Bailly and De Gea. So I wouldn't rule out a passing/organizing CB being bought to pair with Bailly either. The only thing that would really surprise me would be a 10 (that wasn't clearly a Woodward move), an expensive RB or RCB as I think he trusts Bailly and Valencia.
Ederson
Bailiy/Smalling - Dier/Blind(↓) - Rojo/Jones
Valencia/Young -------------------------------- Mendy/Shaw
Herrera/Pereira - Pogba/Fellaini
Mhkitaryan/Lingard - Griezman/Martial
Bellotti/Rashford
In: Ederson(replace De Gea, sweeper keeper), Dier(specialist defensive midfielder, technical defender), Mendy(maurading left fullback to compete with Shaw), Bellotti(striker that can get 30 plus goals), Greizman(galacticosBailiy/Smalling - Dier/Blind(↓) - Rojo/Jones
Valencia/Young -------------------------------- Mendy/Shaw
Herrera/Pereira - Pogba/Fellaini
Mhkitaryan/Lingard - Griezman/Martial
Bellotti/Rashford
)Just get me a man that can hug the touchline and whip a ball in.
#nomore10s
#nomore10s
Like a modern fullback? The best performing teams in Europe doesn't use "wingers" to keep the width, they us their fullbacks(Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea). So i really don't see why people are saying that we lack proper wingers! What we lack are modern (not injured) fullbacks. And the proper use of them!
And that means no Darmian, or Blind. And Valencia is not a good crosser. And Shaw is as you know (always?) injured.
If your post doesn't include a LB and a CB then it's not realistic.
I never said a winger?
This
With the #nomore10s i thought it was implied that you were thinking about a winger...
It was not criticism of your post or that we should not get a 10, just a functional stepping stone for my post.
I agree. We need new fullbacks on either side. I think the lack of fluency in our attacking play is mainly down to our subpar fullbacks. They neither overlap nor put in a good cross. I know everybody loves Valenciaand, but he is responsible for bringing our fast breaks or attack to a sudden slow down or stop more often than not.
I also think, instead of shelling out on Fabinho and the likes, we'd be better served signing Romeu who I think is as good if not better than the fancy names being tossed around, for a much less money. We can upgrade on Herrera too if there are better players on the market, E.g. Rakitic.
Upfront, obviously we need a no.9 and atleast one winger.
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@Damien please delete this.
Valencia is not sub par, but he has some lackings. Clearly our most/only reliable fullback. I wouldn't be too disappointed if we was our first choice come autumn. Would rather prefer Aurier, and since he should be available for a decent fee(25£ ca), then why not upgrade or strengthen that position.
As for comparing Romeu and Fabinho. Are you joking? Our CDM problem is not solved by buying him. Either we replace Carrick with someone similar: Leandro Paredes. Or we get a midfield destroyer(Still should be able to pass and with decent technical abilities.) similar to Casemiro and Wanyama(Strong and great tackler) or Kante(Fast and stamina in plenty). Romeu is neither strong, nor fast, and he definitively is not similar to Carrick. So i really can't see what we get from buying him except from reckless tackles, backward passes and yellow cards.
For the same price as Romeu (minimum15£ ?) there are 10-15 other better and younger alternatives in the french/belgian/german etc. leagues.
GK if DeGea goes. Doneramma of Milan reminds me a lot of DeGea when we signed him, brilliant shot stopper but currently needs a lot of work on other areas.
CB - A priority for me. Bailly has been a great signing and we have decent back up in Rojo (who has been such a surprise this season but still shouldnt be a first choice) and the great young talents of Tuanzabe and Mensah but Bailly needs a top class partner I'm not expecting a big name but I certainly hope its someone of more quality than Michael Keane.
RB/LB - I personally think if fit Valencia and Shaw are good enough and Blind/Darmian are good back up if they stay which Im not sure of. Can be improved but I think other areas need to be this window
CM - Our problem area for a long time. Carrick may well retire and that leaves us with Fellaini (who I hate but see going nowhere), Herrera (who I like but am still not convince he is the answer as a first eleven player, more a good squad one) and Pogba. I would like to see Perreira given opportunities next season as I think he has so much potential and can give us something different. I would like us to sign two central midfielders one being a box to box destroyer with leadership qualities and the other some mind of direct replacement for Carrick (not Dier though)
A proper winger (no a ruddy number 10 again) - Bernardo Silva seems realistic
Not naming many names as I dont watch enough foreign football nowadays to have seen anybody often enough to make proper judgements. Also realistically we are getting heavily linked with a lot of players I dont want us to sign.
One thing I havent seen anybody mention that I feel we may really need is a new captain. Ibrahimovic, Carrick, Roooney, DeGea could all be gone. We could be really lacking in terms of leaders/captains. I dont see Valencia as a full time captain, nor Blind. Herrera I dont see as a first team starter if we buy correctly though he has the right qualities. Who does tha really leave, Pogba? Not sure the social media, hairstyles really fit as a captain myself? Would love to see Rashford as a captain, but we are talking a few years ahead there.
CB - A priority for me. Bailly has been a great signing and we have decent back up in Rojo (who has been such a surprise this season but still shouldnt be a first choice) and the great young talents of Tuanzabe and Mensah but Bailly needs a top class partner I'm not expecting a big name but I certainly hope its someone of more quality than Michael Keane.
RB/LB - I personally think if fit Valencia and Shaw are good enough and Blind/Darmian are good back up if they stay which Im not sure of. Can be improved but I think other areas need to be this window
CM - Our problem area for a long time. Carrick may well retire and that leaves us with Fellaini (who I hate but see going nowhere), Herrera (who I like but am still not convince he is the answer as a first eleven player, more a good squad one) and Pogba. I would like to see Perreira given opportunities next season as I think he has so much potential and can give us something different. I would like us to sign two central midfielders one being a box to box destroyer with leadership qualities and the other some mind of direct replacement for Carrick (not Dier though)
A proper winger (no a ruddy number 10 again) - Bernardo Silva seems realistic
Not naming many names as I dont watch enough foreign football nowadays to have seen anybody often enough to make proper judgements. Also realistically we are getting heavily linked with a lot of players I dont want us to sign.
One thing I havent seen anybody mention that I feel we may really need is a new captain. Ibrahimovic, Carrick, Roooney, DeGea could all be gone. We could be really lacking in terms of leaders/captains. I dont see Valencia as a full time captain, nor Blind. Herrera I dont see as a first team starter if we buy correctly though he has the right qualities. Who does tha really leave, Pogba? Not sure the social media, hairstyles really fit as a captain myself? Would love to see Rashford as a captain, but we are talking a few years ahead there.
RB -Semedo
LB - Alex Sandro (just can't see Jose letting shaw back in)
CB - Manolas
CM - Locatelli - But still young
AM - Kovacic
AM/ N0 10. Greizman or James Rodriguez (Question Rodriguez hunger though)
ST - Mario Manzukic - Aged 30 so still effective and shouldn't hold back Rashford
LB - Alex Sandro (just can't see Jose letting shaw back in)
CB - Manolas
CM - Locatelli - But still young
AM - Kovacic
AM/ N0 10. Greizman or James Rodriguez (Question Rodriguez hunger though)
ST - Mario Manzukic - Aged 30 so still effective and shouldn't hold back Rashford
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