Please do, because I still don't get it. De Rossi on Boban, Scholes and Deco on Baraja and Seedorf, Totti on Deschamps. Have I missed something?
can't blame you, Anto.Leave Totti to defenders 2vs1. Deschamps extra in Middle, I think.Please do, because I still don't get it. De Rossi on Boban, Scholes and Deco on Baraja and Seedorf, Totti on Deschamps. Have I missed something?
I'd agree Scholes-Deco-Totti are not what you would want trying to stop Deschamps-Baraja-Seedorf, but I don't see this unmarked man anywhere.
Totti is dropping deep as the graphic shows.
I couldn't tell mate, we are all quite used to asking for advice and opinions, particularly between managers. It is a fact though that if someone not taking part becomes a regular go-to guy, assistant or not he ends up biased/emotionally invested. I'd say from those voting/commenting so far I couldn't tell this "other" guy so it looks fine to me, but you would know better.
Fair enough. It is definitely best that Theon doesn't vote. Which he isn't going to, so no problem there.
I think it all boils down to you underrating Baraja and Seedorf TBH. I'd agree the two upfront aren't perfect partners, but I see your fullbacks having to tuck in to support a porous midfield and his fullbacks then being able to get those crosses in.
But surely the unmarked man is a problem when Jayvin has the ball, so why would Totti "leave himself to the defenders" and let Deschamps strut his stuff freely? Makes no sense.
You think thats a bigger issue than Totti getting absolutely everything around him suited to his needs and having such a great platform to perform?
Totti dropping deep doesn't help score. I'm trying to think like Jayvin here... For an overt threat he needs to be up there.
You're playing Totti as a false 9 where he will be dominated by Deschamps or sandwiched between Hierro and Thuram depending on what your wide men do. Really can't see him having that much of an impact.
Last time I checked, the moment crosses are likely to be flying in Shearer becomes a far more dangerous striker than Totti.
His fullbacks have no one to deal with when he has the ball. When he loses it they need to track back, obviously, but Deschamps is on Totti, Thuram on Suárez and Hierro on Savicevic. The only one of those that may drag his defender wide is Suárez, but Thuram is actually a better fullback than Neville himself so no probs there.
I'd say your best players in attack are Suarez and Savicevic on the flanks. Those two actually swayed my vote.
If his team don't have the ball he isn't going to score anyway.
Do they though? I doubt Suarez and Savicevic will be staying wide, they would both look to cut in at every opportunity. If they ARE instructed to stay wide though, then that means Totti is left alone in the centre with Hierro and Thuram for company. Can't see him doing much against those two.
Yes, I think this is the crux. Jayvin thinks he cannot. Tito thinks otherwise.
True but it is such a huge load for his full backs, having to be the main supply AND defend and keep things tight against my attack, which is getting a bit under-rated here.
Missed this. Yep, I've voted for myself.
True, don't get what this hard on for Totti's platform is all about, it's Suárez I can see working brilliantly in this setup. Thuram being the CB on the right is a godsend for Jayvin though. As I said earlier, the worry is on the other side and whether Savicevic takes Hierro to the cleaners with a quick one-two with Totti. I actually find Tito to have the more potent counter threat myself, which is why I'm not overly bothered about having Deco doubling up with Scholes in possession.
Whilst he I don't think he is the best attacking of the three I do think he is most vital, he enables the other two to play to their best. IMO at least.
In fairness, Shearer seems to be regarded as this lamp-post upfront waiting for a cross to head it in or a good goalmouth scramble to do an Inzaghi. He was in fact quite good at assisting and shooting from long range as well. In fact, I'd argue he was usually the more complete centreforward out of the two-striker setups he usually found himself in (bar when he played with Teddy).
Agreed. Those two have the speed and trickery for counter-attack. Although Jayvin's also have enough power to counter the counter-attack, too.
Indeed, I can see him being a great pivot they can play off building up, as opposed to some striker they have to play through on goal. I don't understand the emphasis on "platform for Totti" as if he were the one who would shine brightest and score all the goals. I think the platform is for those three and that Totti instead is a great sounding board for the other two. I don't think Totti will fill his boots though, which seemed to be the gist of that comparison earlier between him and Shearer-Ibrahimovic.
But he's still playing a 433 here? Without possession I expect the players to stay in their positions and not turn this into a diamond midfield with 2 strikers upfront. So when Jayvin looses the ball, Suarez and Savicevic are out wide and Totti is deep and all 3 are starting to run towards goal with Scholes and Deco providing the build-up from deep? They are starting wide and cutting in, not starting in the box and moving wide. If Jayvin's fullbacks don't keep track of TITO's wide forwards in the first stage of the attack, he's in trouble, imo. You simply can't defend against players running at your centerbacks all the time, you need to cover their runs earlier.
I agree with that, TITO should be the one attacking on the counter in this game. Mascherano in with de Rossi next to Scholes looks better to me as well.
Because he is possibly the best player on the pitch and would be even better in this side than he would in the Roma 433 where he played the same role.
i love Totti, but i don't think he is the best player on the pitch when it comes to effectiveness of swinging the match for his team. i think that will go to seedorf.
Exactly this, its a 433 not a 4321
Except that I was referring to Guardiola but you were thinking about Totti. I basically got none of your thoughts right, but still managed to stop you getting Lahm
I don't think Savicevic would really be starting his run from a wide position or keeping it wide so as to drag the defender. That's what I meant by only seeing Suárez drag Thuram, not because he would start centrally an go wide but because he would start and stay wide to drag him and create the space for the others.
well if you are calling Totti the best on the pitch, Seedorf is definitely better than him, just in a different position
Fair enough. I didn't think he was an assistant but He's said he's not voting anyway, so its fine.
Theon is not voting.
Un-fecking-believable.Except that I was referring to Guardiola but you were thinking about Totti. I basically got none of your thoughts right, but still managed to stop you getting Lahm
Not wide in the sense of running down the line, but still right from Totti in a deeper position where surely none of the centerbacks would cover him while Jayvin is in possession? If you read through the thread, it sounds like he's playing like Inzaghi
Disagree completely.
