Renato Sanches

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I mean Tielemans went from wonderkid to shite and back to good again in a similar trajectory. So I guess it isn't that weird that he has done the same. Weren't people calling Leicester mad when they paid what they did for Tielemens and now he'll sell for twice that.

Edit: does this mean that similar posters will give Brandon Williams time? I fecking doubt it.
 

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He'll end up in Spurs or Everton someday, then we'll see how he can cope in England.
 

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I can say I’ve liked him since Benfica and I admire the way he’s turned things around. I thought he was tailor made for the PL. Lille players aren’t that expensive but I’d imagine we aren’t going to be that flexible with targets this summer given the outlay on Sancho and the amount of time it takes us to get deals done….
 

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I can say I’ve liked him since Benfica and I admire the way he’s turned things around. I thought he was tailor made for the PL. Lille players aren’t that expensive but I’d imagine we aren’t going to be that flexible with targets this summer given the outlay on Sancho and the amount of time it takes us to get deals done….
It's a good market to go for Lille. They are in need to make money. Even though their squad is not that "expensive", is still not financialy sustainable for them.
 

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My biggest complaint with him ever making it is his mind is an empty shell.

I remember a play this game France was attacking it fell to his feet right out side of the 18 and instead of booting it clear he tried to run out with it in front of 4 French players and got stripped. That shit costs games at the top level.

He is a physical specimen though and always has been, players legit bounce off of him.

I wonder what weight he pushes tbh.
 

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It's a good market to go for Lille. They are in need to make money. Even though their squad is not that "expensive", is still not financialy sustainable for them.
Yeah, they always seem happy to sell and go again with developing prospects. They are incredible really with the amount of money and talent they’ve turned over. Campos seems like a really serious operator. I know they’ve had some owner / financial upheaval but while I don’t know the ins and outs of French football I do think Botman and Sanches would be good PL players.
 

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He's looked very good and would be a good signing for somebody.

However I don't see enough differentiating him and Fred, on current level and in terms of what they bring. I think we either need to say that we're going for a real defensive powerhouse in the hope we can coax Pogba to stay and somehow get him playing consistently, or somebody with very controlled and consistent passing that we can use to balance what we lack in terms of buildup with McTominay and Fred.

Just don't think Sanches makes enough sense for us. Looks more of a busy all rounder with good physicality but I don't see how he solves our balance issues either way.
 

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I'm really curious how his career develops.
When he signed for us I was very excited. But aside from a few good games he mostly looked liked a (technically) strong but often headless chicken. The ability was there, but he was very raw. Which is quite understandable at his age then.

I haven't seen any game of him at Lille but often looked at the the score and the line up. He wasn't exactly a guaranteed starter this season, was he?

I still think he has all the abilities to be an exceptional box to box player but I don't know if his mind is up to it.
 

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Looks like he's matured and refined his game quite a bit from the player of 5 years ago. Probably worth a punt for top 4 side or even Spurs or Arsenal
 

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I mean Tielemans went from wonderkid to shite and back to good again in a similar trajectory. So I guess it isn't that weird that he has done the same. Weren't people calling Leicester mad when they paid what they did for Tielemens and now he'll sell for twice that.

Edit: does this mean that similar posters will give Brandon Williams time? I fecking doubt it.
Actually I think most were calling Tielemans a steal, and wanted us to cough up for him even then.
 

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I was switching between games, but from what I seen he looked good up to the point where it actually came to passing the ball.
 

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Looks like he's matured and refined his game quite a bit from the player of 5 years ago. Probably worth a punt for top 4 side or even Spurs or Arsenal
he's got a bit of the Anderson vibe to him
 

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I pity whichever club makes the knee jerk decision of signing him off the back of these performances. He’s got a lot of good attributes and it’s exciting to watch at times but he will never be able to sustain it over the course of a season and to be honest, there’s not many clubs that would want him too. The reason he’s a breath of fresh air is because while every other player is playing within a strict set of tactical guidelines, he’s been given the freedom to roam the pitch, break up play and use his strength and dribbling to break the lines and make things happen. He’s got that street football vibe that Rooney had in his younger years but obviously nowhere near the quality.
 

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I pity whichever club makes the knee jerk decision of signing him off the back of these performances. He’s got a lot of good attributes and it’s exciting to watch at times but he will never be able to sustain it over the course of a season and to be honest, there’s not many clubs that would want him too. The reason he’s a breath of fresh air is because while every other player is playing within a strict set of tactical guidelines, he’s been given the freedom to roam the pitch, break up play and use his strength and dribbling to break the lines and make things happen. He’s got that street football vibe that Rooney had in his younger years but obviously nowhere near the quality.
Compare him to a signing like VDB though. Surely a better squad option for us if not a better player wouldn't you say? Probably cost less too.
 

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I pity whichever club makes the knee jerk decision of signing him off the back of these performances. He’s got a lot of good attributes and it’s exciting to watch at times but he will never be able to sustain it over the course of a season and to be honest, there’s not many clubs that would want him too. The reason he’s a breath of fresh air is because while every other player is playing within a strict set of tactical guidelines, he’s been given the freedom to roam the pitch, break up play and use his strength and dribbling to break the lines and make things happen. He’s got that street football vibe that Rooney had in his younger years but obviously nowhere near the quality.
Think people that have been watching him in France are best equipped to assess whether this is a continuation of his domestic form or him being deployed in a specialist, unsustainable role.

It's a pleasant surprise to see him looking like a footballer with some pedigree, though. The last time he was in the spotlight, he didn't look like this.
 

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I mean Tielemans went from wonderkid to shite and back to good again in a similar trajectory. So I guess it isn't that weird that he has done the same. Weren't people calling Leicester mad when they paid what they did for Tielemens and now he'll sell for twice that.

Edit: does this mean that similar posters will give Brandon Williams time? I fecking doubt it.
I mean it's hardly the same situation with him. You've got to show a bit of something at some point to be given that benefit.
 

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I pity whichever club makes the knee jerk decision of signing him off the back of these performances. He’s got a lot of good attributes and it’s exciting to watch at times but he will never be able to sustain it over the course of a season and to be honest, there’s not many clubs that would want him too. The reason he’s a breath of fresh air is because while every other player is playing within a strict set of tactical guidelines, he’s been given the freedom to roam the pitch, break up play and use his strength and dribbling to break the lines and make things happen. He’s got that street football vibe that Rooney had in his younger years but obviously nowhere near the quality.
He’s been at this level for like 2 and a half seasons now. I don’t think any of the big teams would buy him to go in to their first 11 but he would be a good squad player for them.
 

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Title wins in 3 different countries and a national title. Not bad going for the lad that looked hopeless for a couple of years.
 

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I mean Tielemans went from wonderkid to shite and back to good again in a similar trajectory. So I guess it isn't that weird that he has done the same. Weren't people calling Leicester mad when they paid what they did for Tielemens and now he'll sell for twice that.

Edit: does this mean that similar posters will give Brandon Williams time? I fecking doubt it.
The difference is that Tielemans looked immature but technically refined, so you knew you had a good base to rely on. Renato Sanches has looked immature and technically deficient at times, his output was so much more variable, and the physicality he has is somehow less reliable when predicting how they’ll adapt to the next level.

Definite similarities though. I’d take a punt.
 

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Very impressive performance, Portugal lacked some control in midfield in the other games, he was able to stand up to France very well at a high level. Hadn't he played i don't think Portugal would've held on.
 

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Is this 2016 all over again or what? Sanches got hyped up after the last Euros and then was never able to replicate what he's done or get to a level of football quality that was rightfully expected of him. He's still pretty young so he can develop without any doubt, but he doesn't strike me as someone that's able to play on the absolute highest level of football week in week out. Playing an important role for a subpar club like Arsenal, Tottenham, Dortmund or so would already be a huge achievement.
 

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It seems to be impossible to knock him off the ball, I'd say he's one of those players where you get hurt trying to tackle them.
 

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Is this 2016 all over again or what? Sanches got hyped up after the last Euros and then was never able to replicate what he's done or get to a level of football quality that was rightfully expected of him. He's still pretty young so he can develop without any doubt, but he doesn't strike me as someone that's able to play on the absolute highest level of football week in week out. Playing an important role for a subpar club like Arsenal, Tottenham, Dortmund or so would already be a huge achievement.
If you check the Renato thread from his first breakthrough, the majority of posters could not see at all what the hype was about and were quite perplexed that a club as proficient as Bayern would spend so much on someone who looked so technically inept.

I don't think this is the same situation, as this same Renato we're seeing, you could understand top clubs being interested in. If he continues to play like he did vs France for the remainder of the tournament, it'll be interesting to see what level of attention he generates.
 

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bloody hell some of you guys are harsh and overly critical of a kid who made a huge name for himself at benfica and had a lot of hype at such a young age only to make the wrong move like many others have done.

it looks like he's matured both physically and in footballing terms to live up to those early expectations
 

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@Pexbo is spot on about him being a very undisciplined player, one that needs a lot of tactical freedom. As germany's third goal showed, he still struggles with following specific tactical assignments

If it weren't for that he'd be an almost perfect modern midfielder. Still so young and absolutely well worth a punt, i'd been wanting us to go for him for months. If nothing else he's a joy to watch
 

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bloody hell some of you guys are harsh and overly critical of a kid who made a huge name for himself at benfica and had a lot of hype at such a young age only to make the wrong move like many others have done.

it looks like he's matured both physically and in footballing terms to live up to those early expectations
The caf struggles with players they have once deemed s***, it is impossible here to come back on it. Equally posters will call Memphis s***, whilst these players far outperform our borderline "world class" players.
 

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Is he for sale at Lille? He looks genuinely good. Even Ronaldo trusts him with the ball and gives it to him
Ligue1 is going bankrupt, everyone is for sale...
 

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I rate him. Always have. He made an absolutely dreadful move in going to Bayern so young but I think he's showing good character to come back and appears to have recaptured that drive and confidence that marked him out at Benfica. Wish him well and for me he'd be a great upgrade on Fred if we wanted to take a punt.
 

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Disagree with people saying he has developed and refined his game, he has simply got his confidence back.

Lest not forget he is only 23 still now, just a year older than Mason Mount who has had a breakthrough season.

Bwwn good whenever I have seen hm for Lille and he was obviously never the player we saw at Swansea.

I still think he woul dhav ebeen a big player had he came to us rather than Bayern. There was less competition for him here and a plethora of players at Bayern.

I do still see inconsistencies within a game and despite him bein excellent again in thr Euros I am not actually sure now he is a player for an elite club, but he does have the ability to play for a lot of top sides around Europe and all he has been through and suffered could hold him in good stead to choose the right club and cope now
 

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Disagree with people saying he has developed and refined his game, he has simply got his confidence back.

Lest not forget he is only 23 still now, just a year older than Mason Mount who has had a breakthrough season.

Bwwn good whenever I have seen hm for Lille and he was obviously never the player we saw at Swansea.

I still think he woul dhav ebeen a big player had he came to us rather than Bayern. There was less competition for him here and a plethora of players at Bayern.

I do still see inconsistencies within a game and despite him bein excellent again in thr Euros I am not actually sure now he is a player for an elite club, but he does have the ability to play for a lot of top sides around Europe and all he has been through and suffered could hold him in good stead to choose the right club and cope now
He must have also improved by playing regularly also. Of course he has improved
 

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He’s like Nani, when he’s loved and with full confidence he’s very good but if he starts getting criticized or the manager/team don’t trust him his level goes down.

He’s technically deficient in some aspects, particularly his passing and tactically he needs a lot of freedom to be at his best.

Good player but he’ll never be a starter for a top European club. He only started 14 league games for Lille for example, it’s not like he was an undisputed starter
 

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we will see how this plays out when Portugal meet up against Belgium and if he has the confidence of the Santos to play him ahead of Bruno or Moutinho
 

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Looks like the perfect Wijnaldum replacement to me. Hope we are in for him. Been linked with him for months now.