Loving the way people are getting wound up about some of the targets mentioned in here, Rodellega might be the give away? Go back to the start of the thread and you might spot the humour in all of this....
Replacing Rooney
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You've missed the point. We are able to secure a CL spot without Ronaldo and Tevez. If we sell Rooney and fail to sign a world class talent, we may finish outside the top 4 in the league and this would be a financial suicide. And we have to factor in the fans reactions. It would be impossible to appease the fans if we sold Rooney without buying a big name forward.
Actually agree, see argument I'm having in Welbeck thread about Inzaghi.
No I haven't, you claimed we need to sign a world class forward if Rooney goes, I'm saying that we probably won't. The money ain't there to compete and we probably wouldn't be considered in the top tier anymore if Rooney were to feck off. Everyone said we needed a world class talent to replace Ronaldo, we didn't get one, everyone said we needed a world class talent in the summer, we didn't get one.
It's all well and good saying we NEED someone like Pato, but getting him would be almost a miracle.
Top strikers who's main skill is their ability to bag goals cost a fortune for a reason, just like a genius creative midfielder, they are an important cog in a successful machine.
yes because goals win games ..ie Goalscorers are matchwinners
There are strikers like Ruud whose main ability is scoring goals but also do other things well, these cost a fortune. There are Strikers like Cristiano, Henry and Rooney who can score a lot and do even more, these are the most valuable players in the game.
Then there is the class of striker such as Bent, Inzaghi, Owen and possibly Hernandez who are pure poachers. They are fantastic at scoring goals, but their talents don't extend much beyond this. These players have never commanded the highest transfer fees, and often struggle to hold down a place in the biggest teams as these teams need their strikers to do more, especially when playing one up front.
Yes I agree, this is the simple way of looking at it.
I know I sound confusing but matchwinners are usually players who have something special and who do not just score goals.
Exactly, these poacher like strikers need service, cannot create chances on their own. Put in a position they will score but need the Modric to supply the pass. Therefore the Modric is more valuable and ergo the matchwinner.
In recent past we rarely really missed a player. Cantona left, Hughes left, Kanchelskis left and Ince left and guess what? We kept on winning. Stating that, we did so because we always had a quality side who could cover things up right until the kids/new players settle down and deliver the goods. When we dismantled the first double side we still had Keane, Giggs, Irwin, Schmeichel and Cantona at their prime, same thing happened when we started dismantling the treble team. In matter of fact we struggled only when an area was particularly weak. Schmeichel's departure cost us dear and so did Stam's (which exposed a very weak defense in need of a leader).
I don't know whether Rooney will leave or not but I hope that he doesn't. With Scholes, Giggs, Gaz and VDS at the wrong end of their career we simply don't have enough quality to ensure a smooth transition period and we really need that to pay the debts.
I don't know whether Rooney will leave or not but I hope that he doesn't. With Scholes, Giggs, Gaz and VDS at the wrong end of their career we simply don't have enough quality to ensure a smooth transition period and we really need that to pay the debts.
I can see what Scholesy is getting at, and further I think that branding any one player a "matchwinner" misses the point really.
Very few players have it in them to be matchwinners on their own (think Giggs run v Arsenal, Ronaldo v Fulham etc)
Strikers by default are matchwinners as goals win games, hence why they are so highly valued and fetch the highest fees.
I see your point, it looks like he is going by his own definition of a matchwinner.
Hernandez says hi.
If Rooney goes, the money won't go on a striker.
If Rooney goes, the money won't go on a striker.
so you think that Rooney dont need to be replaced?
Not yet he don't.
De Gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Rodwell Fletcher
Nani Sneijder Bale
Benzema
I totally love Rooney, though this affection is being somewhat diminished by the current goings on. The twat had it all on a plate, attractive wife, young baby, decides to play hide the sausage with a few local brasses and gets the hump when his manager tries to shield him from public glare.
IMO the lad should have thanked the manager for his support, apologised and put his head down. Instead he gets the hump and decides to use recent escapades to either increase his contract bargaining position or force a move to another club.
If Rooney wanted to he could end all this media speculation by merely making a statement. The fact no such statement has been forth coming, makes me think we are getting an insight into the boy’s character and what problems we might face in the future.
Maybe it is time to cut our losses, take the money and concentrate on creating the next generation team post gigs, scholes & vds etc.
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Rodwell Fletcher
Nani Sneijder Bale
Benzema
I totally love Rooney, though this affection is being somewhat diminished by the current goings on. The twat had it all on a plate, attractive wife, young baby, decides to play hide the sausage with a few local brasses and gets the hump when his manager tries to shield him from public glare.
IMO the lad should have thanked the manager for his support, apologised and put his head down. Instead he gets the hump and decides to use recent escapades to either increase his contract bargaining position or force a move to another club.
If Rooney wanted to he could end all this media speculation by merely making a statement. The fact no such statement has been forth coming, makes me think we are getting an insight into the boy’s character and what problems we might face in the future.
Maybe it is time to cut our losses, take the money and concentrate on creating the next generation team post gigs, scholes & vds etc.
dont you think that Zen can answer that post without your help?
Its worth pointing out that Benzemas wages are currently much higher than Rooneys. He'd be expecting an unreasonal pay packet so unless he decides to accept a pay reduction he won't come.
I'm a ventriloquist. Zen is my dummy. Either of us may reply to you.
So, where were we? 
this thread just took a turn for the serious
It is not my definition, I thought it was widely recognised.
I don't think we will buy a replacement. But I do think the money will be spent on one or two key players - this all depends on when SAF sells him. If he goes in January, and that seems most likely, it will be difficult to attract big names mid season.
Still absolutely gutted - I thought the lad would be a united player for life!
Still absolutely gutted - I thought the lad would be a united player for life!
You won't get any stupendous amount of cash for Rooney IMO, not given the circumstances, so where is the all money needed to sign De Gea, Rodwell, Sneijder, Bale and Benzema coming from?
It all sounds like pie-in-the-sky fantasy to me.
No money will be spent replacing him. And then there will be talk about the £120 million warchest by Gill
should Real be the ones to sign Rooney, then we're more likely to get more value in a trade. Realistically Rooney isnt worth more than £35 million due to contract length and his desire to leave. Also his form is terrible. So id take Benzema(prob valued at 20 in a trade) and the rest in cash. then buy a quality attacking midfielder. may seem unrealistic but i reckon Sneijder has to be the reinforcement brought in. Bale could also be brought in to play on the left side, doubtful though. We could end up like:
VDS
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Carrick
Sneijder
Nani Berbatov Benzema
VDS
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Carrick
Sneijder
Nani Berbatov Benzema
Now that this thread is an actual serious one I would like my inital contributions to be ignored
Rooney should fetch us 40m + we still have 80m out of the Rooney deal. The club may also opt in selling players who had been off form for quite some time.
I dont think that we'll get Sneijder or Bale. It would cost us too much money. On the other hand players like Sanchez, Defour and Benzema are in our league.
Now that this thread is an actual serious one I would like my inital contributions to be ignored
me too.
S|omething tells me we will not be spending £120 million pounds on strengthening the team in the near future.
I'm expecting Rooney's replacement to either be nobody (ie use Berba, Diouf, Owen and the rest to fill in), or another 'value signing'.
I cant see Defour, Benzema and Sanchez costing us more then 20m each. Apart from Benzema we would still need another quality winger and midfielder whether Rooney stays/leave.
It's obviously not going to happen but IF a deal involving Tevez+Cash happened for Rooney what would be the reaction on here?
The answer must be in midfield. Not up front. I don't want Dzeko, Higuan, Torres, Aguero etc etc etc. I want a top class attacking/creative midfield player.
Would anyone take Kaka as part of a swap deal? Or are we all pretty much convinced he's done his dash at this point
Marin
We would still need a big guy who is capable to score the goals. Aguero is not that type of player and we wont be able to get Torres/Higuan. Dzeko and Benzema are at our league.
a creative spark like nani? Well no cause people usually mean it when they talk about goals not so much creating chances. I don't know at what point people invented new bs to mean 1000 different things. If someones a match winner, the basic definition is the person who scores the goals. Why people need to complicate simple things is a mystery.
It's the way to look at it. Ronaldo was a match winner. Defoe. A spark of genius and creativity is something different. I will ignore this 'simple way' of looking at it nonsense because that is exactly what it is.
Spend the money on a personal medical facility for Owen Hargreaves.
he's finished.
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