This matters relatively little what they feel. Governments lose cases in court all the time.You may be right but the government know full well they have to prove it in court - they obviously feel like they have a strong enough case.
Get off your high horse, I don't support Putin but
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Can't see it. Sanctions are against Abramovich rather than Chelsea itself.What are the chances that Chelsea could have any titles stripped?
I presume they have seized Chelsea as they have some evidence of dodgy dealings, from a legal point of view. Thus if dodgy dealings, does this suggest that dodgy money helped fund winning titles, etc?
If they have that Champions league stipped, Man City would have technically won the Treble?
Tangible being the operative word.A mechanism will be arrived at whereby the club will be disposed of without tangible benefit to Abramovich, whether that’s by means of charitable donations or trusts or otherwise. This is just the opening salvo.
Very light on content. 'Associated' and 'financial benefit' could be anything; additionally don't rich individuals in the UK/US/West also get this sort of treatment?Tweet
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Don't see why that would need to be the case. It's an asset belonging to a sanctioned individual but that doesn't mean the club itself did anything wrong in a footballing sense. Nor does the government need the club to have made any "dodgy dealings" to take action against its owner.What are the chances that Chelsea could have any titles stripped?
I presume they have seized Chelsea as they have some evidence of dodgy dealings, from a legal point of view. Thus if dodgy dealings, does this suggest that dodgy money helped fund winning titles, etc?
If they have that Champions league stipped, Man City would have technically won the Treble?
Indeed. The most common thing is for the initial seizure to be used to leverage an agreement without the need to test it in Court. The supply of steel to the army doesn’t look the most robust argument to me.This matters relatively little what they feel. Governments lose cases in court all the time.
The key issue for me here is the arbitrary seizure of one's assets based on their proximity to someone else. Public sentiment has been a key driver in this issue but that will be of no concern of the court.
Roman =/= Chelsea.What are the chances that Chelsea could have any titles stripped?
I presume they have seized Chelsea as they have some evidence of dodgy dealings, from a legal point of view. Thus if dodgy dealings, does this suggest that dodgy money helped fund winning titles, etc?
If they have that Champions league stipped, Man City would have technically won the Treble?
There's a pretty well-established precedent for this type of sanctions though. It's not like they were invented in the current crisis. And it'd be surprising if they have never previously been legally challenged (presumably without success).This matters relatively little what they feel. Governments lose cases in court all the time.
The key issue for me here is the arbitrary seizure of one's assets based on their proximity to someone else. Public sentiment has been a key driver in this issue but that will be of no concern of the court.
The amount of people that don't seem to understand it is not just about being acquainted to Putin. It is how these characters made their money through very possible shady dealings with the Russian government, how they may have benefited financially by backing the Russian regime for decades. They could be considered a bit more than just casual mates. A lot of people suffered and are still suffering poverty and worse under the Russian regime, these oligarchs potentially contributed very much to that and are therefore being now very closely scrutinised.Yes, Seizing someone's assets because they are friends with someone the government doesn't like is always the basis for sound Government policies.
Unless I’m mistaken, the sanction relates to him providing steel to help build tanks, therefore finding a war. This isn’t a decision taken lightly. Putin is committing war crimes and Abramovich is funding him. This has nothing to do with Chelsea.Get off your high horse, I don't support Putin but I don't support blaming people who have nothing to do with the war.
The last people to do that were the NAZIs.
Tangible being the operative word.
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But it's only to May, right?Can't we mod the whataboutism and the debates on the war in the CE forum and keep this thread mainly about what that means for Chelsea? Surely not being able to sell tickets is a disaster, how much of their regular match day attendencies is from season ticket holders?
You are absolutely right of courseForgive my Whataboutism.
The Uk government takes action on this, but let the mass murderers take over Newcastle. If you're going to make a stand against something then make a stand.
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Chelsea as a club is not sanctioned. Roman is.What are the chances that Chelsea could have any titles stripped?
I presume they have seized Chelsea as they have some evidence of dodgy dealings, from a legal point of view. Thus if dodgy dealings, does this suggest that dodgy money helped fund winning titles, etc?
If they have that Champions league stipped, Man City would have technically won the Treble?
I agree.Forgive my Whataboutism.
The Uk government takes action on this, but let the mass murderers take over Newcastle. If you're going to make a stand against something then make a stand.
oh there will no doubt be some of the most expensive lawyers money can buy looking into it as we speakVery light on content. 'Associated' and 'financial benefit' could be anything; additionally don't rich individuals in the UK/US/West also get this sort of treatment?
Coming away from Chelsea for a moment, I hope they actually have some concreate proof that he isn't able to counter and say is common practice in big business as otherwise he'll take the Govt/taxpayer's to the cleaners in a court of law if they don't.
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Amazing turnaround by Boris who just a few weeks ago was close to losing his job because of Garden Parties.Go on, Boris. Go on, my son.
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