He and Van Gaal have a knack for buying themselves time.
Rooney responds.
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He is Selfish, Arrogant and Deluded (S.A.D)
Well if you're talking about social media then I think it's a good idea to point that out. But a lack of balance on twitter and Facebook can hardly come as a surprise. Paul Hollywood has been called a "Greedy rat" this morning for presenting a baking show.
With regards to the Caf there really is no need to point out that its a question of balance. Except for a a very small number most posters accept what a great player he's been, that dropping him won't solve everything etc etc.
Unfortunately there's a handful of posters who want to distort this truth.
I'm done with Rooney to be fair as he cant even straight up admit he has been poor, his ego is the only thing impressive about him these days. This club will never be back winning the league or going far in the CL with players like Rooney, Fellaini, Valencia etc starting for us and players like Young and Rojo being in reserve. I'm happy to write this season off again because surely Jose will realise by the end of it you cannot turn shit into gold no matter how good you are or think you are as a manager.
Simply Rooney has to be gone by the start of next season and hopefully along with the other players mentioned. I would even add Mata, Depay, Darmian and Jones to that list.
Then Jose can build a successful first team team around Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Fosu Mensah, Shaw and De Gea, add some real quality and then have a strong substitute bench including Blind, Smalling, Herrera, Zlatan(?), Januzaj, Pereira etc to call upon.
Rooney can fecking do one as far as I am concerned and I hope he doesn't beat Sir Bobs record as much of a cnut that makes me sound.
Simply Rooney has to be gone by the start of next season and hopefully along with the other players mentioned. I would even add Mata, Depay, Darmian and Jones to that list.
Then Jose can build a successful first team team around Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Fosu Mensah, Shaw and De Gea, add some real quality and then have a strong substitute bench including Blind, Smalling, Herrera, Zlatan(?), Januzaj, Pereira etc to call upon.
Rooney can fecking do one as far as I am concerned and I hope he doesn't beat Sir Bobs record as much of a cnut that makes me sound.
He should have stayed quiet imo. He would have been silently dominating his critics
Agreed. Our PR policy in recent years seems quite aggressive. Anything negative is immediately countered with a load of positive pieces blatantly briefed by the club. This is more of the same IMO. I'm not a fan of this approach at all.
I totally agree with the last paragraph but it will never happen. Scholes and Giggs played the role really well but they were humble enough to accept a lesser role in the squad.
Rooney is far too arrogant to accept a limited role.
Not me. Not this time. I was already getting fecked of at him being able to escape any criticism because he could hit a patch of form for six games. It might have been enough then but it shouldn't be enough now.
Its bollocks like this that gets the backs up of the Rooney disciples.
We have been saying that for the last 15 months (when he has been absolute dogshit), while in the three years before it he was just average/okay.
His performances aren't going to ever improve, in fact, they are going to just become worse. If we don't drop him for Leicester, then really there is something more than 'Mourinho thinks he is good' and/or 'Mourinho is in fear of a mutiny from the dressing room'. It is literally like playing that Weah's cousin (who actually wasn't his cousin at all), for 90 minutes, each match.
Rooney's PR team are very poor considering the high % he probably pays them. Just look at the transfer request scenarios and the recent leaks that were seemingly from his camp. Now he does this when the fans regard of him is at it's very lowest, Makes him come across as the d1ckhead he probably is.
Ouch
tbf, he can hardly go into training as Captain having said ''I'm playing like a drain & we're losing because of it'' can he?
Jose is clearly trying to play him into form, the next option does have to be resting him for a bit. He operates from the bench as a late game replacement for Zlatan is my guess for the near future.
Jose is clearly trying to play him into form, the next option does have to be resting him for a bit. He operates from the bench as a late game replacement for Zlatan is my guess for the near future.
Something is clearly bubbling up behind the scenes. Way too many counter Jose articles since the weekend shifting the blame on the manager and making out like he is the one who is under threat and losing the plot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney does start this weekend, but his days are very close to being numbered.. he's acting desperate at the moment. Damage limitation going on from the Rooney camp trying to position himself as a hard working player merely going through a slump who has the full backing of the manager.
If he is still a first team player by November I will be extremely shocked. In fact if he is a first team player midway through October I will also be shocked.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney does start this weekend, but his days are very close to being numbered.. he's acting desperate at the moment. Damage limitation going on from the Rooney camp trying to position himself as a hard working player merely going through a slump who has the full backing of the manager.
If he is still a first team player by November I will be extremely shocked. In fact if he is a first team player midway through October I will also be shocked.
The only person that can sort this out is Jose . It is time for him to manage Rooney . In the past Fergie had similar man management problems and he dealt with it , it was obviously easier as he had been at the club longer and was never doubted in his decisions . Scholes and Giggs were managed in their latter years which was easier to do cos they were united through and through and just wanted what was best for the club . Gary Neville again loved the club and made the decision himself when he knew his performances were letting his club down . With Keano , Beckham and Van Nistelrooy it wasn`t so easy but again Fergie managed it and United kept winning . It is time for Jose to deal with this and the outcome is down to Rooney , he either accepts it or not . Whichever way it goes Jose has to live or die by his management decisions . I would love to see a solution where Rooney could still play a limited role at the club and leave on a good note as he has been a great player for us over the years and a key part of our success but unfortunately I can`t really see it happening and is more likely to end on a sour note in the way Keanos exit did . Needs sorting quickly though as if it is left too late our season will be fecked .
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For those who think this interview was some of PR exercise, I really don't think so. I get notifcations everytime the United handle tweets and they'd been sending tweets about this interview for a while now. It's not something that just came up post the Leciester game.
Northampton game*
Does Rooney really have 3 years left on this often-quoted-as-being £ 300, 000 a week deal? And say he doesn't want to leave or take up coaching, I can't even see how he can be sensibly paid off. The figures involved are horrendous, even for the Utd balance sheet. A loan to Celtic or Everton and 'we' pay most of the salary. Same situation for Schweinsteiger, all they have to do to meet the terms of contract is turn up to training, be available, wander through a few reserve games that is embarrassing for everybody if the club is trying to cheese them off.
I'm almost hoping he finds some kind of form, situation could get very horrible. Quite soon, nothing says we can beat/draw vs. Leics if performance is at the Watford-Feyernoord level.
I'm almost hoping he finds some kind of form, situation could get very horrible. Quite soon, nothing says we can beat/draw vs. Leics if performance is at the Watford-Feyernoord level.
I really hope some rich foreign club signs him in January. He is simply not worth all the money the club's paying him IMO. It's time to red rid.
So he's been preparing his comments knowing that he is getting worse with each passing game?
Great post but to nitpick I would say that he was not the main man in 2008, only after Ronaldo left.
I would agree were it not for the fact that he treated Utd fans with contempt twice coupled with the fact he clearly hasn't worked on his game or his athleticism to the extent that he should have. He's played a lot of football no doubt but so did Giggs and Scholes and they never were so physically shot that they couldn't trap a football. His arrogance has cost him dearly. He also bears the brunt of the fact that he's continually picked. That's not his fault, the managers deserve that criticism but in the heat of the game the player is going to get that stick. This isn't the usual case of a player who just isn't as good as he used to be. This is a player with nowhere near the athleticism required to play at this level. And at not even 31 that's pretty poor.
Gave up reading a quarter of the way through. Fluff.
You're right, something is going on. Starting to read bits now about United fans wanting Mourinho sacked. That's complete and utter rubbish. Fans don't want him sacked at all. What they actually want is Rooney out of the picture. Very odd that the papers are now trying to blame the manager.
He's so boring and vanilla on the camera, I hope to god nobody is thinking about giving him a job as a pundit when he retires.
That's what is reported, although I am not sure how it might be the case. I always thought that the football contracts can't be longer than 5 years (with an option to extend for a further year), and Rooney got his contract in the end of 2013, so it should finish in the end of 2018.
But from every report, it apparently runs until the summer of 2019.
A huge media battle is being waged at the moment, it is not even subtle. If anyone doubted the culprit of the 'leak'.. the interview by Rooney, the fact he played against Northampton, Jose 'goals, goals, goals'. Trust me... this is a huge period not just in our season but the future of Manchester United.
Its why it is pissing me off that any United fan can just sit back and think Rooney is a team player and will get back into form. The future of our club as a title contender is at risk here, if we bow down to Rooney now.. we will be in the wilderness for another 6 years and Jose will be gone by January.
Rooney needs to be booed and hounded out the club. No mercy.
The club need to act too. Whatever hold he has over the club (and there does seem to be something going on) they need to break it...and soon.
To be fair, I don't think anyone is thinking he's going to get back into form now - at least I haven't read one. Even Rooney fans (and yeah, I've been one of them) or at least people who would like/hope him to get into form (since an in from Rooney would be beneficial to the team) now realise and accept he's finished at this level and believe he should be out of the team.
I disagree even in this thread alone, people think he can still be a useful squad player and will be a positive influence for a team and accuse fans of overreacting on the issue. They seem totally oblivious to what a harmful and toxic character he is.
Agreed it's totally nauseating and widens the chasm even further between the fan and the club.
Would have respected him more if he said "I know I'm shite but I'm not gonna turn down £300k am I?"
At least have some balls and be honest about it.
At least have some balls and be honest about it.
This guy is toxic. This media wars is turning ugly.
Comparing 1 good season of Rvp to rooney's career for us? Loads of top players haven't won ballon d'or, just as loads of top players have less club honours than their manager. And he only performs in televised showpieces, so it's now bad to perform in the big games? (If I understand that comment correctly) Rooney is rightly being criticised for his performances during the last couple of years but the post is just weird.
Seriously, is there any point in me picking apart your post? I've been repeating myself about Rooney for years, and the narrative from his defenders has fallen to pieces over that time: it's descended from "You're nuts - our Wayne is world class" to "I'm so objective that I'll even claim that I want him dropped - yes, I always was the voice of reason". It's pathetic back-pedalling, intellectually dishonest, and should be utterly transparent to the rest of us. Just about every conceivable excuse has been proffered, virtually all of them refutable at best or laughable at worst, and still people are trying to defend Wayne via the backdoor. Defending a hero is fine by me (laudable, in fact) but without honesty it means nothing bar "I'm sad and angry because someone doesn't agree with me". Wayne is playing us all, including his employers, and is coasting towards the choosen time of his retirement; that might be understandable from his perspective but not so much from United's and England's.
Him playing at 10 and not being subbed is the issue for me. Wayne has has been better than say a Martial thus far and I wouldn't have a problem with him playing out wide. But please, do sub him if he's ineffective.
Is it now sacrilege to suggest that Rooney might have something to offer as a squad player?
I mean, I know he's complete shit and is stealing a living, his self confidence is an affront to the fans and the other players and he should quit for the good of the club (as if any of us would turn down that much money for the good of our employer.) And I appreciate there can be absolutely no doubt that he is the one leaking shit to the press, it stands to reason and is therefore a fact. I get that.
But is it possible that, once he is dropped, he will respond positively? NOT undermine the manager's authority and NOT sulk and bitch to the press and other players? I realise its a risk this is what he'll do. A big risk, in fact. This risk probably explains why we are in the mess we're in, managers for club and country have quickly ascertained he has that much influence and popularity he can make or break their careers with a simple gesture of the hand, like a Roman emperor.
But I still hold onto this outside hope that once dropped (outside hope squared, because at this stage the hope of him being dropped in the first place seems pretty remote) he will accept it is not intended as a personal affront, that what is happening to him has happened to many other players before, and adjust his expectations in terms of his role in the squad. I hope he will accept that he is not going to be a first teamer but can be a sub and can play in the cups.
I hope he rediscovers some form later in the season and gets himself a few goals from the bench and breaks the record. I wont begrudge him that record if he does it as a sub and a squad player, coming on late in games, full of energy, able to rediscover some of his power and explosiveness by limiting it to 20-30 minute periods, rather than having to conserve himself for over 90. Conversely, the way things are now, when he is starting, I dont actually want him to score because it feels like the good of the team is being subordinated to his own personal quest for this record, and because I worry it will result in him being selected for the next game.
That would be my ideal ending for this whole saga: he's dropped this weekend and that is the end of this phase for Rooney, from then on he is used as a squad player and a sub, he does pretty well, scores 6 or 7 goals this season from limited appearances, helps us win some silverware and leaves in the summer for MLS, on a high, with the gratitude and well wishes from a large portion of our fans.
I mean, I know he's complete shit and is stealing a living, his self confidence is an affront to the fans and the other players and he should quit for the good of the club (as if any of us would turn down that much money for the good of our employer.) And I appreciate there can be absolutely no doubt that he is the one leaking shit to the press, it stands to reason and is therefore a fact. I get that.
But is it possible that, once he is dropped, he will respond positively? NOT undermine the manager's authority and NOT sulk and bitch to the press and other players? I realise its a risk this is what he'll do. A big risk, in fact. This risk probably explains why we are in the mess we're in, managers for club and country have quickly ascertained he has that much influence and popularity he can make or break their careers with a simple gesture of the hand, like a Roman emperor.
But I still hold onto this outside hope that once dropped (outside hope squared, because at this stage the hope of him being dropped in the first place seems pretty remote) he will accept it is not intended as a personal affront, that what is happening to him has happened to many other players before, and adjust his expectations in terms of his role in the squad. I hope he will accept that he is not going to be a first teamer but can be a sub and can play in the cups.
I hope he rediscovers some form later in the season and gets himself a few goals from the bench and breaks the record. I wont begrudge him that record if he does it as a sub and a squad player, coming on late in games, full of energy, able to rediscover some of his power and explosiveness by limiting it to 20-30 minute periods, rather than having to conserve himself for over 90. Conversely, the way things are now, when he is starting, I dont actually want him to score because it feels like the good of the team is being subordinated to his own personal quest for this record, and because I worry it will result in him being selected for the next game.
That would be my ideal ending for this whole saga: he's dropped this weekend and that is the end of this phase for Rooney, from then on he is used as a squad player and a sub, he does pretty well, scores 6 or 7 goals this season from limited appearances, helps us win some silverware and leaves in the summer for MLS, on a high, with the gratitude and well wishes from a large portion of our fans.
I feel that the team needs a purge from the past. Rooney, Young, Depay, Jones, Mata and Lingard should be sold. These players will never play at the level or consistencies this club require. If there was a reprieve for one of them it should be Mata. Fellaini, Valencia, Schneiderlin, Blind are versatile squad players that should be kept but only played based on form.
Rashford, Martial, Henrik, Pogba, Herrera, Bailly, Shaw and De Gea should be the spine we build around. The positions left out could easily be filled with WC talent over the next two windows and an in house rule that certain games must have at least five academy players in the match day squad.
We also need some advocates for the club in the media. We have been crucified by ex players and pundits, sometimes correctly but it mostly feels like they are getting revenge over being slighted by the club and now SAF is not there to protect us it just feels like we are getting the piss taken out of us. Example being Hughes saying Giggs should be our manager and the man himself saying he will not go in to management for the foreseeable future. Imagine he was our manager over the last week with three losses in a row, he would probably shrink so far in to himself we would be left with his lips in the hot seat and we would have a Rooney situation on the bench.
The future is bright for this team but it won't happen over night. The teams expected to duke it out at the top are already settled but come Christmas I expect to have consistancy under Jose and push ourselves in to contention. I also feel the Europa should be our second priority, a Champions league place should not be sneezed at. A few 5-0 could really get this team buzzing, we have not had a game of complete domination for a long time and the spine mentioned above with Zlatan up top, Carrick dictating tempo and no Rooney to waste minutes with cross field balls fluttering in the wind.
Mourinho has a face that indicates the position we are in. The look in his eyes ever time we get the basics wrong tells me that he is well aware of the majorities frustrations. We are still carrying a hangover but with transfer cash in abundance and a man who can attract the best we should all be optimistic.
Rashford, Martial, Henrik, Pogba, Herrera, Bailly, Shaw and De Gea should be the spine we build around. The positions left out could easily be filled with WC talent over the next two windows and an in house rule that certain games must have at least five academy players in the match day squad.
We also need some advocates for the club in the media. We have been crucified by ex players and pundits, sometimes correctly but it mostly feels like they are getting revenge over being slighted by the club and now SAF is not there to protect us it just feels like we are getting the piss taken out of us. Example being Hughes saying Giggs should be our manager and the man himself saying he will not go in to management for the foreseeable future. Imagine he was our manager over the last week with three losses in a row, he would probably shrink so far in to himself we would be left with his lips in the hot seat and we would have a Rooney situation on the bench.
The future is bright for this team but it won't happen over night. The teams expected to duke it out at the top are already settled but come Christmas I expect to have consistancy under Jose and push ourselves in to contention. I also feel the Europa should be our second priority, a Champions league place should not be sneezed at. A few 5-0 could really get this team buzzing, we have not had a game of complete domination for a long time and the spine mentioned above with Zlatan up top, Carrick dictating tempo and no Rooney to waste minutes with cross field balls fluttering in the wind.
Mourinho has a face that indicates the position we are in. The look in his eyes ever time we get the basics wrong tells me that he is well aware of the majorities frustrations. We are still carrying a hangover but with transfer cash in abundance and a man who can attract the best we should all be optimistic.