VDB is no better than Neves though, irrelevant to the argument
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Argument was VDB wasnt ready for the PL last season while Neves would be.
Saul or Neves, who would be best for us.
Out of the two I would prefer Neves. He's shown his quality in the premier league already, there would be no adaption needed.
This signing makes too much sense. A reasonable fee (apparently) , experience in the EPL, Beckham-like passing and free kick abilities. What's not to like? All aboard this train.
People desperate for news? This thread hasn’t had any fresh links
Too slow, passing range no where near Beckham, and not a proper DM.
Wont be a DM if we get him , he’ll be the deepest in the double pivot with McT or Fred
An upgrade on McFred though and would line up better with Pogba and Bruno now it looks like Pogba will stay.
Stupid comparison with beckham though, I agree with you there.
That sounds right.
Has he though?.... or has he proved his quality in the championship? I think he has been decent but not exactly excelled or even stood out in his own team personally during there time in the premiership.
WIth all the midfielders about, he doesnt really excite me as a signining personally. I get the argument poster above made to me of him being proven in the premiership, but again he hasnt excelled. I think he is a good player, don get me wrong, but he certainly isnt the player from the championship who looked top quality
If we are going down that train of thought, personally I would much rather Bissouma who would probably be a similar fee.
Regardless with what happens with Pogba Neves is a must especially with the fee that's being talked about (£30-35m). I don't think he gets enough credit for the defensive side to his game everyone talks about his passing ability etc but his stats defensively aren't far of the likes of a Bissouma or an Ndidi not to mention he has the ability to control a game doing the simple things effectively while not being afraid to make that forward pass something we lack if Pogba isn't on the pitch in that area. Dont think he's the flashy big name so called 'CDM' everyone might want like a Rice or Ndidi but he'd do an excellent job and at the age of 24 he'll only get better!
Flogging a dead horse is the way forward in this thread. No credible links and even the none credible ones have even vanished.
Neves as Saul is a no.8 and not that much better than Fred and McTominay.
Looks like Paul Pogba is staying, if that happens, i don't see this one happening, maybe January or by next summer.
He is a decent player and would get better playing in our team. Reading about him, he seems to have the right personality to do well here. He captained Porto at 18 and we sorely lack leadership in CM. I think he would have a greater positive impact than his stats and physical attributes suggest.
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Finally someone other then Dean Jones mentions Ruben Neves.
I'm all for bringing in Neves, but how is he a Pogba replacement?
Aye Neves would be replacing Fred or McTominay not Pogba, we need someone else for that.
He isn't a Pogba replacement but he is a better long-passer than a lot of the other midfielders we are being linked to which is one aspect we'd miss in a Pogba loss.
We replaced Pogba already with Bruno and VdB. It is quite clear that we want a more defensive midfielder, so we wont buy a direct Pogba replacement in that sense.
Can play long passes like Pogba.
We don't really have any midfielders in our squad other than Pogba who can do that.
In some sense he is a Pogba in the double pivot replacement , since Pogba usually plays there if one of McFred is injured.
The only real Pogba replacement is Camavinga, I hope neves only a Plan B and that we should make a serious push for him near the end of the window.
If you want a Fred with better heading skills and a few more goals in general, Saúl, and perhaps he could grow into a strong holding midfielder, but based on his play at Atleti, I'm not sure if he has the type of personality to be reliable there.
I don't know Neves as well, but if Man Utd really wants a holding midfielder for a 4-3-3, he seems to be the better type to get.
When using 4-2-3-1, I'd reckon you're better off with Fred - Neves than Saúl - McTominay, too. I'm not sure if a Saúl - Pogba could be better than Fred - Pogba or Pogba - Neves, either.
Maybe Saúl will benefit from the change of tactics and surroundings, but if he stays at Atleti I'd prefer him as a goal scoring offensive midfielder, left center back in a 3cb formation, or perhaps as a wingback cover. as CM/DM I'm not sure if I'd trust him enough, and I think that this is what United needs more than the things I just named.
I don't know if Neves fits well, either, but I do know that he'd complement Pogba and Bruno better in PES
(although Saúl would be the better option on the bench with his ability to play everywhere, to some extent)Per the latest Athletic article we’re trying to make VDB into an 8 . So unless both Matic and Lingard goes I dont see how we have room for him if Pogba stays as well.
Edit: Oh, forgot Pereira. Might be a chance then
Edit: Oh, forgot Pereira. Might be a chance then
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Reliable journalists are coming out with this "Ole's changing to an attacking 4-3-3 system" stuff and it seems crazy to me because Matic is the only one we currently have who can play at the base of that midfield and he can only play a single half before turning into a statue. Either Ole is expecting another midfielder soon or he sees something in Fred and McTominay that I certainly don't.
This blind spot towards the need for a real DM will prove costly for Ole because even if he does get Neves in Matic still remains the only player capable of playing as a sole DM and he is finished. Neves could play as a 6 but he'd need a defensive Box to Box CM alongside him otherwise teams will just run through us. Then there is a question as to whether he has the passing ability to become the controlling midfielder a team playing with Fred/McTominay as an 8 needs besides his very good long passes. That is also before we consider how we can play any of them in a midfield with Bruno and Pogba.
That DM signing is going to be our weakest link and will cost us the chance for real growth and might even set us back.
Out of all the CM’s we’ve been linked to, Neves makes more sense. PL proven and won’t come with a big price tag and much much better then Rice who has English tax added on and probably push to £80m+. Although I don’t rate Rice has highly as they have us believe!
He has 3y left his contract. He is only 24y old. If he is that good, why would he cost only 30M+? I have feeling he is just a new Schneiderlin.
Rice is better as a pure DM , Neves is quite slow. But as a deep playmaker/defensive hybrid Neves is better, yes
Could see us go for him if Matic goes to Roma, since Xhaka is staying.
Far away from prime Matic, but with the current Matic he is an upgrade I think
Far away from prime Matic, but with the current Matic he is an upgrade I think
So there's nothing new linking us with him, I would of thought if we wanted him we would of bid by now.
Camavinga is nothing like Pogba at all
Pedro Neto is the only Wolves player worth a punt on, but we are stocked in that area. Not sure if Neves is any better than Fred or McTominay.
He offers something different to both of them (long/medium range passing) and is better defensivly than McTominay at least
Significantly better than both.
Surely this is a joke?
Probably because of the whole sketchy set-up at Wolves, and how they got such quality players into their club in the first place.
Probably a lot of agent driven agreements about when they can leave and for how much.
Neves is not better than Fred.
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