Swansea would be off their tits if they were to offer it to him.
Ryan Giggs | Interviewed for Wales job
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Yes, you're right, Giggs has been trying to use his connections to slip into a Premier League job instead of doing IMO the sensible thing and finding a stable club in one of the lower divisions. Ideally, a club that is at least midtable and open to some risk-taking. Giggs then gets a somewhat more receptive atmosphere and some space to learn.
I think this is only the first step, mind you, because he may have to take sideways steps to get a Premier League job. If he shows something as a lower league manager, he may have to take on an assistant position again in the PL or a foreign league to get his foot in the door to a manager's job. It could go many ways but I think outside of getting some hands-on experience with 3 managers at United, he's been largely wasting his time.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...well-for-a-career-in-management-35328391.html
Giggs was never a leader on the pitch and his uncertain TV delivery doesn't bode well for a career in management
Where did the idea that Ryan Giggs would become a top manager come from? He rarely looks less than a sheep caught in the headlights.
Trevor Francis blithely suggested that Giggs would “someday be a top manager” when he was discussing the running order to fill the Swansea position, as if it is written in stone somewhere.
But really, Giggs? Maybe it’s just his eyes but they seem to suggest he’s always slightly puzzled, always a heartbeat behind the conversation.
His mild nature doesn’t really convert to hardass pundit and it is even harder to see him winning the Premier League as a manager - not in a thousand seasons.
Giggs was never a leader on the pitch and his uncertain TV delivery doesn't bode well for a career in management
Where did the idea that Ryan Giggs would become a top manager come from? He rarely looks less than a sheep caught in the headlights.
Trevor Francis blithely suggested that Giggs would “someday be a top manager” when he was discussing the running order to fill the Swansea position, as if it is written in stone somewhere.
But really, Giggs? Maybe it’s just his eyes but they seem to suggest he’s always slightly puzzled, always a heartbeat behind the conversation.
His mild nature doesn’t really convert to hardass pundit and it is even harder to see him winning the Premier League as a manager - not in a thousand seasons.
Most of the time, you look into his faraway eyes and wonder.
Giggs’ abilities as a manager are untested, unproven and very unlikely.
He was never a leader on the pitch and his uncertain delivery on live television makes you wonder how he would fare with 20 pairs of cosseted, Premier League eyes boring into him in a dressing room.
Legend counts for nothing in management, as Neville found out, and yet he, Giggs and a whole posse of Alex Ferguson’s players seem to feel that accumulating a room full of medals working for the best manager of all time gives them a pass.
Giggs believed he was ready to step straight into the Manchester United job when David Moyes’ brief time ended badly and there was much huff and puff about whether he would be prepared to work for Louis van Gaal.
He stayed all right and sat like a bold child beside the Dutchman. Hard to tell if he learned anything useful.
While he was doing that, Gary Neville was building up his profile as a formidable pundit, fearlessly ripping into van Gaal while his pal Giggs sat stony-faced.
Of course we know from Neville’s hurt at his treatment by the English FA after Roy Hodgson got the bullet that No 2s don’t have to take any responsibility for their work.
Rio Ferdinand is another who doesn’t immediately spring to mind as management material but he was miffed when he didn’t get a call from England.
Phil Neville bobs around from studio to training pitch but is at least putting in the miles learning his trade. He might even make a decent stab at managing in the lower divisions in a few years.
Paul Scholes snipes from the sidelines, too shrewd to dip his toes.
It would be interesting to see what kind of video Roy Keane would make now if he recreated that infamous Carrington video, stuck all Fergie’s Old Boys in a room and gave an honest assessment of their potential as managers.
But of course Keano took the gilded route too so he might not feel he is the right man to make the judgement.
In his favour is the fact that he has management miles under his tank and his current project is turning out to be a big success.
Right now, Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes are the only pupils of Ferguson making a fist of club management.
There is nothing to suggest that even one of the Class of 92 is ready to graduate and do the same.
Giggs’ abilities as a manager are untested, unproven and very unlikely.
He was never a leader on the pitch and his uncertain delivery on live television makes you wonder how he would fare with 20 pairs of cosseted, Premier League eyes boring into him in a dressing room.
Legend counts for nothing in management, as Neville found out, and yet he, Giggs and a whole posse of Alex Ferguson’s players seem to feel that accumulating a room full of medals working for the best manager of all time gives them a pass.
Giggs believed he was ready to step straight into the Manchester United job when David Moyes’ brief time ended badly and there was much huff and puff about whether he would be prepared to work for Louis van Gaal.
He stayed all right and sat like a bold child beside the Dutchman. Hard to tell if he learned anything useful.
While he was doing that, Gary Neville was building up his profile as a formidable pundit, fearlessly ripping into van Gaal while his pal Giggs sat stony-faced.
Of course we know from Neville’s hurt at his treatment by the English FA after Roy Hodgson got the bullet that No 2s don’t have to take any responsibility for their work.
Rio Ferdinand is another who doesn’t immediately spring to mind as management material but he was miffed when he didn’t get a call from England.
Phil Neville bobs around from studio to training pitch but is at least putting in the miles learning his trade. He might even make a decent stab at managing in the lower divisions in a few years.
Paul Scholes snipes from the sidelines, too shrewd to dip his toes.
It would be interesting to see what kind of video Roy Keane would make now if he recreated that infamous Carrington video, stuck all Fergie’s Old Boys in a room and gave an honest assessment of their potential as managers.
But of course Keano took the gilded route too so he might not feel he is the right man to make the judgement.
In his favour is the fact that he has management miles under his tank and his current project is turning out to be a big success.
Right now, Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes are the only pupils of Ferguson making a fist of club management.
There is nothing to suggest that even one of the Class of 92 is ready to graduate and do the same.
Bruce is the best bet for any club in the Championship who wants to get promoted. Giggs wouldn't have stood a chance of getting that job.
Managers are judged on their eyes now?
What a crap article. Jaap Stam, Ole, Henning Berg are managing at the moment too.
He doesn't come across either as a leader, or highly intelligent.
I don't think we will ever see Giggs in a management role ever and in fifteen years time we will still be talking him up for a lower middle league team, a bit like Glenn Hoddles managerial comeback.
My prediction is he will end up assistant to Craig Bellamy for Wales 2024 WC campaign. He likes what he knows, feck, he didn't even stray out of his own house to cheat on his wife.
My prediction is he will end up assistant to Craig Bellamy for Wales 2024 WC campaign. He likes what he knows, feck, he didn't even stray out of his own house to cheat on his wife.
Judged on 4 games in charge as caretaker though
I found it to be an odd rant myself.
There are some reasonable points though. He was never a leader on the pitch, only becoming captain on default due to seniority and length of service. It doesn't mean that you have to do that or you can't succeed as manager, but there can't be many successful managers who had all the leadership qualities of a wet fish when playing.
If you remove the 'United legend' mantle and people's instinct to defend him because of that, I think it's quite obvious why it's unlikely Giggs will end up a successful manager. He doesn't seem to have a forceful personality at all. Even when he was captain, on the pitch at least, he was rarely anything other than just another player. Again that doesn't mean he can't succeed as manager but it's reasonable to look at whether he has the personality for it. Certainly more credible than declaring: "look at his medals!" as people seem to want to.
I'm also concerned about how little he's done since retiring to become a manager aside from sitting and waiting for a job offer. He sat next to Moyes waiting to take over, he sat next to Van Gaal waiting to take over, then he sat next to Lee Dixon and Ian Wright waiting for a job offer. He's never worked at a club outside of United. Rather than waiting for a job he should have spent last year working overseas, working at another club to gain more experience. But he's done none of that. He's just sat and waited until something drops in his lap. Again not something you'd think conducive with the personality of someone who's going to eventually succeed in management.
If you remove the 'United legend' mantle and people's instinct to defend him because of that, I think it's quite obvious why it's unlikely Giggs will end up a successful manager. He doesn't seem to have a forceful personality at all. Even when he was captain, on the pitch at least, he was rarely anything other than just another player. Again that doesn't mean he can't succeed as manager but it's reasonable to look at whether he has the personality for it. Certainly more credible than declaring: "look at his medals!" as people seem to want to.
I'm also concerned about how little he's done since retiring to become a manager aside from sitting and waiting for a job offer. He sat next to Moyes waiting to take over, he sat next to Van Gaal waiting to take over, then he sat next to Lee Dixon and Ian Wright waiting for a job offer. He's never worked at a club outside of United. Rather than waiting for a job he should have spent last year working overseas, working at another club to gain more experience. But he's done none of that. He's just sat and waited until something drops in his lap. Again not something you'd think conducive with the personality of someone who's going to eventually succeed in management.
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Giggs is realistically not going to get a job in the Premier League just on the basis of his name. Owners of a team facing relegation battle would not gamble on someone like Giggs to keep them up and prefer the safe option (Allardyce, Pulis etc.). Mid-table teams who have no threat of relegation like Southampton, West Ham, Everton etc. would prefer hiring managers with experience of overachieving with their previous clubs/country. He should stop considering the Championship clubs beneath him and apply to clubs irrespective of the budget/volatility of the job. If he is good enough, he can shine under any conditions.
Aitor Karanka was Mourinho's assistant at Real Madrid. After the end of his spell at Madrid, he decided to apply at Middlesbrough with no prior experience of playing or managing in England. He managed to achieve promotion in his second full season after narrowly missing out in the first. Jaap Stam was the assistant manager at Ajax and he applied at a Reading team this summer which finished 17th last season knowing fully that there would be hardly any funds available for him to spend and he has currently led them to 3rd in the Championship.
If Manchester United job is what he is eventually looking for, there are no shortcuts for him to get there. He would have to perform exceptionally well at his club for a long period of time to even be in contention for the job. He would be judged on his managerial style, tactics, footballing vision, flexibility to adapt, results against bigger teams and transfer dealings. If he manages to achieve something like what Eddie Howe is doing at Bournemouth , he would become a strong contender for the United job whenever it becomes available.
Aitor Karanka was Mourinho's assistant at Real Madrid. After the end of his spell at Madrid, he decided to apply at Middlesbrough with no prior experience of playing or managing in England. He managed to achieve promotion in his second full season after narrowly missing out in the first. Jaap Stam was the assistant manager at Ajax and he applied at a Reading team this summer which finished 17th last season knowing fully that there would be hardly any funds available for him to spend and he has currently led them to 3rd in the Championship.
If Manchester United job is what he is eventually looking for, there are no shortcuts for him to get there. He would have to perform exceptionally well at his club for a long period of time to even be in contention for the job. He would be judged on his managerial style, tactics, footballing vision, flexibility to adapt, results against bigger teams and transfer dealings. If he manages to achieve something like what Eddie Howe is doing at Bournemouth , he would become a strong contender for the United job whenever it becomes available.
Aye, he'd certainly be far better off overachieving at a Championship side than getting Swansea relegated.
As soon as it was clear he wasn't succeeding Moyes he should have gone. At the time he spent a year as assistant and was about to spend what he thought would be three years under Van Gaal. He couldn't have assumed Van Gaal would have been a failure and that the board's response would have been to hire someone (him) who was part of that failing administration. He could be a third year into a successful managerial career by now. If he was desperate to become a manager there's been absolutely nothing stopping him aside from ego and/or a reluctance to actually do the job.
I don't really agree with this. Leadership, as a concept, is a very nuanced subject, and no single leadership style is suited to every situation. The fundamental assumption is that a leader has to be "forceful" or "shouty" to be effective, but this simply is not the case. A quiet word in someone's ear can be as effective as screaming in their face, as can leading by example, never giving up etc etc. I think it's impossible for us to have a meaningful discussion about Giggs' leadership qualities without significantly more evidence and experience. Giggs may be a quiet but ruthless operator as a manager, which could be more effective than a passionate and sentimental one. The only relevant discussion we can have is regarding his level of experience, which he needs to go out and accumulate. Speculating as to his leadership style, approach or effectiveness, is exactly that at this point; speculative.
Something about this made me laugh
I had nothing against him staying on with LVG but this bit mostly nails it on the head. He's nearly in his mid-40s and doesn't have any proper managerial experience yet: many of the greats had already established themselves by Giggs' age.
Swansea, though poorly run over the past couple of years, only find themselves four points from safety. A change of tactics coupled with a couple of shrewd signings in the market could see them survive, they aren't beyond redemption. If Giggs manages to be the guy that leads them to that then his managerial career would be launched, if not then he suffers a minor setback but ultimately everyone will blame the american owners.
I think Giggs shot himself in the foot a little by continuing to play so long and then becoming an assistant for a couple of years. I'm hoping for his sake he just takes a job at a lower division club instead of waiting for some top flight role to fall into his lap.
So, nothing changed from last time?
Doesn't look like he really is a contender for this and rightly so. Not the time for Swansea to take a risk. It would also be a poor move as his first job, it's an impossible task IMO.
Yep, Swansea still don't want him.
Good for them.
I never expect to see him manage anyone. He'll become a full-time pundit. He has no desire to be a manager, he just wanted to manage us when it seemed likely they were going to give him a try.
So Swansea believe he is not good enough to manage them.
But Giggs believed that he was good enough to manager MUFC?
Does anybody remember when LVG proclaimed that the next manager would be Giggs? That really stirred things up on this forum.
If he was serious about coaching some would argue that he could have/should have moved somewhere to become player/manager at the tail end of his playing career like Bryan Robson did. Instead it's almost as if he fell into coaching as an after thought; realising he quite liked the idea of sticking around the club after his playing usefulness was over and coaching was the obvious choice.
The fact he retired at 40 odd and just kinda stuck around and in 3 years since retiring not found meaningful employment outside the club to begin a career in management, to me shows that the whole idea of being a manager was never anything more than an after-thought spurred on by some dream that he'll be given the United job. He didn't have to finish his career at United. If he was serious about management then go accept a job as player-manager elsewhere. You can't tell me that he wouldn't have got offers.
The word around here is that the job is Clement's if he wants it.
Still don't want Giggs, don't really want Coleman either as much as I appreciate the job he's done with Wales.
Still don't want Giggs, don't really want Coleman either as much as I appreciate the job he's done with Wales.
What do you think of getting Clement? Happy with that or the best of a bad bunch?
Truthfully I'm not sure, I know things didn't go too well at Derby but he did spend a fair bit (which he won't get the luxury of doing here), I think it's probably the latter but no particularly exciting manager will come here and rightfully so, I wouldn't want to manage here.
Redknapp is the choice of a lot of Swans fans and I don't want that, not just because he's been out of the game, but he usually has a fair amount of money to play with and Swansea won't offer that.
Long term, I want Swansea to go back to playing the way they did for years, regardless of what happens this season (dunno who I'm kidding, we all know we're going down), then changed our style a couple of years ago and it's all gone to shit. Our player recruitment for the last 2/3 years has been a joke as well. Buying in Baston for a large amount with what seems like next to no thought on how he'd fit in to the team.
How do you know this?
Who was your last Welsh manager?
Kenny Jackett if you count him as Welsh (played for Wales born in England I think), I really rate him and he's just left his club, not really up to this level though.
Brian Flynn was the one before, he's a superb football man but doesn't like management.
There are a lot of posters who are saying that he should have accepted a job elsewhere long ago and how he is behind people like Jaap Stam in terms of managerial and coaching experience. Giggs had the opportunity and privilege to be regularly selected by SAF even when he was 38 or 39. He had the privilege of playing for over 20+ years at a top club without major injuries, and I think this is truly rare for a footballer.
Do you have a particular friend who did well in university, was offered a job at a top company before graduation, and is now stagnating at the top company, refuses to leave and does not even know how to write a good CV since he did not have to find a job? Ryan Giggs is similar to his particular friend. I think he needs time to think things over. All his life he only knows SAF, the Manchester United board, and Manchester United. Sadly, his outside experience is similar to a 21 year old. He probably does not even know which club and which management to work for, other than Manchester United.
Gary Neville took up the job at Valencia due to his friendship with Peter Lim. And we can see how difficult for him it was to adapt to a management and football style outside of Manchester United and England. I think Giggs could be affected by what happened to Neville.
Do you have a particular friend who did well in university, was offered a job at a top company before graduation, and is now stagnating at the top company, refuses to leave and does not even know how to write a good CV since he did not have to find a job? Ryan Giggs is similar to his particular friend. I think he needs time to think things over. All his life he only knows SAF, the Manchester United board, and Manchester United. Sadly, his outside experience is similar to a 21 year old. He probably does not even know which club and which management to work for, other than Manchester United.
Gary Neville took up the job at Valencia due to his friendship with Peter Lim. And we can see how difficult for him it was to adapt to a management and football style outside of Manchester United and England. I think Giggs could be affected by what happened to Neville.
I think Giggs only had eyes for the Manchester United job and if he couldn't get that, he wasn't going into management. It's not his fault for thinking that way. He was put on Moyes coaching staff, made a caretaker manager and then made LvG's assistant and given the impression he was to learn from him to eventually take over in 3 years.
He had nothing to gain by trying his hand at managing elsewhere. Short of him winning a league title which likely wouldn't happen, he'd never be seen good enough to manage us. Moyes wasn't seen as good enough and he had a decent track record with Everton. By doing nothing and sticking around, at least he was still in the running for the job.
If he does want to manage I don't think Swansea would be the worst idea. At the end of the day, most of the blame and hatred is going to go to the owners for putting the club in the shape it is currently in.
He had nothing to gain by trying his hand at managing elsewhere. Short of him winning a league title which likely wouldn't happen, he'd never be seen good enough to manage us. Moyes wasn't seen as good enough and he had a decent track record with Everton. By doing nothing and sticking around, at least he was still in the running for the job.
If he does want to manage I don't think Swansea would be the worst idea. At the end of the day, most of the blame and hatred is going to go to the owners for putting the club in the shape it is currently in.
He doesn't have the drive to manage
He wants to be the manager of united, he doesn't want to be just a manager.
Almost anyone with passion for managing would jump at a decent club (championship level) giving them a chance. Do giggs loves the thought of being the mastermind behind the club? Or is it just this particular club?
He wants to be the manager of united, he doesn't want to be just a manager.
Almost anyone with passion for managing would jump at a decent club (championship level) giving them a chance. Do giggs loves the thought of being the mastermind behind the club? Or is it just this particular club?
But that's the point. If you want to become a manager you don't do it because you just want one specific job.
So Swansea believe he is not good enough to manage them.
But Giggs believed that he was good enough to manager MUFC?
Does anybody remember when LVG proclaimed that the next manager would be Giggs? That really stirred things up on this forum.
I think it's his dream job, and if offered it he'd have jumped at it, but he has no interest in the blood, sweat and tears he'd need to shed to 'earn' that job.
When I was a bit younger, I got into kickboxing and then MMA. ALL I could think about was one day fighting in the UFC. It was literally all I could think about, I was determined that was my goal/dream.
Then I took my first amateur MMA fight in a sports centre in front of about 22 people, and got absolutely mullered. Stitches galore and a 2nd round TKO loss. Against someone who was pretty much, rubbish in the grand scheme of things.
I realised that night that having a dream is one thing, but achieving it would be literal torture that I was not prepared to go through.
This is how I feel Ryan Giggs views management.
Sure, he'd love his dream job. But he doesnt want the 4-0 pastings at the hands of Fulham and the sackings/re-hirings that are par for the course.
Daniel Taylor from the Guardian on Giggs:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...iggs-managing-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
You'll disagree with opinion poll bit at the start but the rest is about right IMO.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...iggs-managing-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
You'll disagree with opinion poll bit at the start but the rest is about right IMO.
Wants Southampton job