That sounds awful. Hopefully you'll start to get better news soon.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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@Lynty keeping everything crossed for you mate
Yeah, I'm not too comfortable with all this to be honest.
It’s impossible for schools to keep kids apart. Near me there’s a college and I walked past it just now and there must be 100 17-20 yr olds just loitering around at the front of the building, jumping on each other, sharing chips from the same bag etc. There’s no way we can have schools open, a full public transport service AND pubs open at the same time, we just can’t.
I think suggesting a blanket closure on pubs is bad - far more preferable to limit levels of intoxication / drink numbers etc. If people remain reasonably sober and can obide by social distancing, it shouldnt be any worse than a coffee shop / restaurant.
For me the biggest issue right now is the misconception that kids are more immune / suffer less sever symptoms. Kids have socialised far more throughout lockdown, hanging round parks etc., and they generally don't have the fear that adults do. Kids should not be exempt from masks in shops either - i appreciate its far harder to get a young child to wear one, but kids between 5-12 can be made to understand they are necessary.
Yep best wishes from here as well.
On the presser today in Sweden they presented some results from a test at Umeå university.
Over two weeks they did over 16 000 test and found 6 positives. All 6 had some form of symptoms.
Last week Sweden analyzed 142 000 test nationwide, and 1% was positives.
Over two weeks they did over 16 000 test and found 6 positives. All 6 had some form of symptoms.
Last week Sweden analyzed 142 000 test nationwide, and 1% was positives.
So fecking pissed off about these new phases in Ireland. It looks this weekend will see 10,000 underage soccer matches in Dublin cancelled. With no restrictions to prevent 150,000 kids with nothing better to do milling in and out of each other’s houses to play PlayStation. While their 300,000 parents can piss off out to drown their sorrows down the pub (providing they buy a €9 cheese toastie)
Absolute frigging madness.
Absolute frigging madness.
I think we can all agree that reelecting Fianna Fail was a stellar idea.
"Here is our new, very clear five stage plan"
"What stage is Dublin at?"
"Err... two … and a bit?"
the sheer arrogance
Is this PCR or antibodies?
I’m so angry about this all right now. In the early stages it felt like the people in charge were being decisive and clear when we needed them to be. Which contrasted with the shit show across the pond.
These last few weeks have been a muddled, incoherent mess. Definite bang of Fianna Fail off it. All mouth and no trousers, populist, wooly-minded crap. Parish pump politics when it’s the last thing we need right now.
This article is bang on.
Yes. The thread title clearly states "No tin foil hat silliness", meanwhile that bloke just powerspams the thread with his unscientific opinions and lies.
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And stop 'carping on' about problems with testing. JRMogg tells us that instead we should be celebrating the government record on testing.
So Jacob. Three cheers for the government. Boris is my hero. So is Hancock. Hip hip hooray.
“Get over it”
Just realised this thread only has a few more pages than the Jadon Sancho one.......
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That last sentence really confirms what’s been obvious for ages. The way that people live/work in Sweden (and other Scandi/Nordic countries?) combined with a relative lack of inter-country travel allows them to get away with regulations that are seeing the virus get out of control in mainland European countries.
It would be interesting to get to the bottom of these differences but until we do, we know for certain that the approach Sweden took early on could have had horrendous consequences if replicated throughout Europe.
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That's difficult to say. The regulations are regional, but have been constantly relaxed. Where I live, you are now allowed to mix with up to 25 people. That's a lot. But too what extent people are actually doing that, I don't know. In general, Germany is not the country where people frequently meet in large groups at home. And of, course, the weather is still good, so when people meet they often meet outside. We will see how it goes, when the weather gets worse.
Overall, I can only assume that compliance with masks and other regulations is somewhat higher, and maybe our tracking and tracing is a bit better. Because I cannot see what else we do that would explain the better numbers compared to some of our neighbours.
It does feel like the competence has dropped a level
Stolen from Reddit:
UK - 3395 new cases
21 new deaths.
England:
Deaths: 18.
Positive cases: 2788.
Admissions: 143, 153, 172 and 194. 12th to the 15th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
Patients in hospital: 782>866>894>953. 14th to the 17th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
Patients on mechanical ventilators: 88>101>107>108. 14th to the 17th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
UK - 3395 new cases
21 new deaths.
England:
Deaths: 18.
Positive cases: 2788.
Admissions: 143, 153, 172 and 194. 12th to the 15th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
Patients in hospital: 782>866>894>953. 14th to the 17th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
Patients on mechanical ventilators: 88>101>107>108. 14th to the 17th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
I bet her excuse is I didn’t have a cough, temp or loss of smell and taste. There needs to be a bit more info about non standard covid symptoms just to get the message across that if you’re sick at the moment, suspect covid until proven otherwise.
Oh god, that reminds me of the governments alert levels here, has anyone seen them since they were widely ridiculed?
It all fell apart when FG ran through the phases because they knew they were taking a back seat.
The public doesn't want to go backwards and cooperation was always going to wane because of it
You’d like to think people could use a bit of common sense instead of needing to be constantly fecking spoonfed.
Agreed. There is no one size fits all solution for this.
Somewhat conferting personally living in Sweden that children beeing back to schools and people going back to work after a summer of traveling inside the country has not escaladed the infections. So far at least.
Yeah, it’s great to see. I’d love to know why you’re keeping your numbers low while ours are getting out of hand. I suspect it’s a cultural thing where our initial reaction to being told what to do is to try and find a way around it. Can I blame this on the psychological hangover from being colonised?!
It's not a misconception that kids suffer less severe symptoms. That's absolutely true.
Also, the idea that you can trust the British public to have pubs open and stay sober and maintain social distancing is far more wishful than thinking kids can follow a few new rules at school.
Its very much so i think (the last part i dont know
) but we follow guidelines.They have been very clear from the get go that everything we do to stop transmission we must be able to do for a long time, possibly years.And even if we dont wear masks, we seems to be good at everything else like keeping distance.
Another point made earlier in the thread is that its very easy to stay home sick and dont suffer (to much) economicly. So people can actually stay at home with small symptoms or stay at home with children if they are sick. Thats key to me.
The fall its comming and it might be a different story then, but right now its looking good and people seems not bothered by still following guidelines and advices to keep it that way.
That’s interesting. The sick pay does seem like a big issue.Its very much so i think (the last part i dont know
And even if we dont wear masks, we seems to be good at everything else like keeping distance.
Another point made earlier in the thread is that its very easy to stay home sick and dont suffer (to much) economicly. So people can actually stay at home with small symptoms or stay at home with children if they are sick. Thats key to me.
The fall its comming and it might be a different story then, but right now its looking good and people seems not bothered by still following guidelines and advices to keep it that way.
Kills me to say it - after previously arguing against this point - but I’m also wondering if there is something to this idea that coming out of lockdown causes a rebound? When society starts on a path from extreme lockdown heading back towards normality then there’s a huge risk of them getting ahead of themselves and over-shooting to end up closer to normal behaviour than they should.
There’s been a sort of collective madness here in recent weeks where we all think the virus has become much less dangerous than it was a few months ago. Restrictions are easing so we’ve obviously less to be worried about. Are Swedes still as wary of it now as they were in March?
Re the bolded. No i dont think we are. But since the restrictions are not that harsh that matters less. If you understand what i am trying to say? I often feel my english is letting me down trying to get my point across.
Its not hard to follow Swedish restrictions, and there is no "threat" of a full lockdown looming over us, so people who is really wary really do the same as people who have a more relaxed aproach to covid-19. Then ofcourse we also have the "5g and covid is a hoax" nutjobs, but they are what they are nomather restrictions.
Regarding the underlined, i have always felt that was the case. Might just be me, but if i came out of lockdown i would feel more like the danger is over, compared to someone telling me i still need to do exactly the same as 5 months ago to keep pushing transmission down.
kids suffer less but because of this the rules are more relaxed where they’re involved and that is detrimental. It’s more a case of them not being less likely to catch it and spread it.
I think you are right about the rebound. In Wales during lock down there was a five mile travel limit and everyone was cautious and only went out when needed. The travel limit was eased when lock down ended and for 6 weeks or so we have been jam packed with tourists with no masks mandatory until last monday when kids have gone back to school and it is quieter anyway, crazy.
The people of Sweden were given statistics and had explained to them clearly what was needed to be done. The people of the UK were told they could get arrested for sitting on a park bench.
Treat people like adults they'll act like it!
Lancashire following the North-East with further lockdowns tomorrow.
2nd nationwide lockdown is coming. But it will be presented in a series of 'local restrictions'