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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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its pretty obvious, this is all very rushed, they wanted to do this next week, but the reporting over the last 24 hours has meant they need to get the announcement today.
It’s annoying, But I would rather they delay it for a couple of hours if there are details they need to work on.
Well Sweden barely locked down at all did it? And still their cases now are double their peak.
Belgium is an interesting one for sure. On September 1st they had 194 cases. By October 1st that was 1337 so more than 6 times the rate. The latest figures are 23921 for October 30th. So over 120 times the rate before schools re-opened. Cases decreased between the start of August and September. You’ve chosen a terrible example.
The slower rise in cases in the US states you cite could just as easily be attributed to greater herd immunity could it not? I haven’t looked at those numbers yet. They’re still rising though.
The restrictions on hospitality were lifted in July. It caused an increase for sure. But not the increase we’ve seen since. You’ve offered no viable explanation for the massive increase and schools not being an impact. I’m not and never have claimed it’s the sole reason. It’s one of many, but it’s a big one.
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For once it would have been nice to see our country be in a proactive state and put strong measures in place to put the numbers down BEFORE they got out of control.
Too scared of the ‘oh but it’s only x amount of infections’ brigade.
Cant attend his own press conference on time, stupid twunt.
Sainsbury's was barren by the time I got there late this morning, with checkout queues all the way up the aisles. Trollies piled high.
Human nature is fascinating. We never learn.
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On a side note who’s this stupid bitch on BBC News right now who hasn’t actually answered a single question?
Because he’s a fecking shambles, who shouldn’t be left in charge of a picnic never mind a country.
If the furlough scheme is not extended and maintained at 80% for the sectors affected by closures (e.g. hospitality, retail, leisure, health and beauty etc.) then you’re killing people.
We’re about to ask people who earn 8 quid an hour to survive on a fiver an hour. Utterly soul destroying.
We’re about to ask people who earn 8 quid an hour to survive on a fiver an hour. Utterly soul destroying.
It would've also been nice to see some joined up thinking. Up here we enacted our five level strategy about, what, a week ago? There's absolutely no way that Sturgeon and Johnson haven't been discussing approaches and yet, somehow, Boris decides to finish his homework the night before the deadline date. Again.
Edit: not for a minute suggesting that the SNP have done this the right way either. Just saying that compared to the UK lot they're scholars.
Weird. Went to do weekly shop (Durham area) and everything was fine.
Aldi early this afternoon, maybe 2ish, was fine. No queues to get in, plenty of stock, walked straight to an empty checkout once done.
Even managed to get some bog roll.
Its not so much the few hours delay that is bothering me (we know we're going into another lockdown, there's no surprises there), its the continuing shambles of a response we've seen from him and his government.
That’s so weird. We had no panic buying at all this time. People obviously realised that the supermarkets stayed open throughout the first lockdown and would do so again. Why would anyone think it would be different second time round?
Good to hear. I hope what I experienced was an anomaly and not you.
I’ve highlighted the flaw in your logic there mate.
Because England is a really mental place.
Here we go...
Heeeeeeere’s BoJo
Bad hair day apparently.
They can’t even get their slides to fit the screen.
That's what I can't understand. Thankfully I was doing a click n collect so didn't have to join the panic. I hope it will die down over the next few days as people realise the supermarkets aren't going anywhere.
Yes, Belgium have had an increase in cases. Your hypothesis is that that sudden rise in cases is best explained by schools re-opening. Nothing else changed, so how could it just spike like that? Apply that argument to the southern states in the US, which had a sudden rise when kids were all off. Apply that argument to South Africa, which had a very similar spike at the same time, and 2 months after re-opening schools, has kept things pretty steady. In other words, is it possible to have a sudden spike without any change to school procedures? Absolutely. Alternatively, is it possible to keep case levels steady even after re-opening schools? Sweden, Japan, South Africa two months on...many other countries. Yeah, it is. It is not an irrelevant factor, it plays a role, but your suggestion is it is a dominant factor, the best explanation of this change. It just doesn't fit when you apply it outside this context you first applied it to, the causal explanation falls apart.
You don't need a change in a single factor to explain the sudden spike in cases. It happens independently of schools. There's a reason why the evidence you cited said "remains unclear how infectious children may be" and "unclear how much schools may contribute to community transmission ". They don't have an agenda, they closed schools anyway out of an abundance of caution and convenient timing. It's just the pattern you believe is so obvious is apparently undetectable to them, the people with all of the data.
Work for an Academy trust as a IT Techie, I do 4 schools of various sizes, my colleague who is in the vulnerable group does 5.
Thinking back to after we came back from lockdown, we both had reduced schools, 2 days at 2 each, work from home day, later start/early finish times.
For teachers, obviously they only had 10 kids. The ones in vulnerable groups did planning for the ones teaching some from home, some used offices but didn't teach. all finished at 3:30 rather than average of 6. Think a lot of the teachers loved it. Smaller classes, less stress.
Curious to see if they make changes to how things are, already shortstaffed and the bubbles aren't feasible when some staff are having to cover multiple classes.
Doubt they'll let the vulnerable to refrain from teaching as it just wouldn't be possible staff wise.
Watched the Rugby. Beat Cummings record.
Went to Tesco and then Aldi (across the street from each other). Both were very busy thanks to people picking up supplies on the way to Halloween nights out. There was a fair number of people in costumes and the like.
I didn't see any of the panic buying we had the first time around.
Slide presentation is shite on bbc - can’t see half the data.
Is the sound fecked up or is our tv broke?
Because Americans just carried on like normal for the most part perhaps? Are you just going to ignore the abosulte clusterfeck you made of your Belgian example? Sweden’s latest figures were 25 times the number of cases they had on September 1st. We have different definitions of steady. Writing a litany of paragraphs may fool some in to taking your opinion as gospel. Not for me.
The people with all the data told us that face masks made no difference. If you want to believe everything those with the data tell you that’s up to you.
Can’t stand any of them. They’re all cnuts. Every single one of them to a man is a fecking prick and corrupt as feck.
Edit: feck - just noticed the press conference has started as well. Will switch from the Liverpool game now.
Edit: feck - just noticed the press conference has started as well. Will switch from the Liverpool game now.
Some of the slides are a joke. There was a formula error on one.
Nobody really gives a feck about slides. These people are inept.
Talk through one or two slides. Release the stat pack to the media.
These look like 15 year olds GCSE mock papers.
I do not know why the option is always either a school closure or schools to remain open and nothing in between. It's so bizarre, I think a rota system would be perfect to ease stress of the shortage of staff, like you mentioned.
Also it'd be great to minimise the contact kids would normally have if they were in a school that would have more students around them, essentially minimising passing on anything to their households. Plus it's safer for the teachers. Total shambles really at the lack of ideas and implementing safer structures when it comes to schools.
Thought it was my tv
BoJo totally nodded off there
He was watching the rugby.
Every now and again i remember just how long this has been going on and it's mental.