I wasn't suggesting India won't get any vaccine.. just that we probably wont get this one.. at least not anytime soon.I know that from my work, that UNICEF are leading the procurement and distribution of the vaccines in developing countries.
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What is the plan in NZ?Even if the vaccine is out in November its going to take a considerable amount of time to get enough people vaccinated to let us head back to relatively normal life.
We have an initial number of doses for 750,000 but after that Im not sure what the next effort will be. Im thinking that in terms of most of the planet getting to a more normal place its going to take at least a year, probably 2. The logistics of it all are pretty huge.What is the plan in NZ?
The aim in Australia is for a large (but unspecified) number of people to be vaccinated by midyear and everyone (or as high a % as possible) by late 2021.
You'll get the AZN one. They all target the spike protein and the likelihood of them succeeding is higher after Pfizer's success.I wasn't suggesting India won't get any vaccine.. just that we probably wont get this one.. at least not anytime soon.
That will be the aim everywhere. Full roll-out as soon as possible. Remains to be seen how many countries achieve that aim. Will be a hell of a lot of jockeying for access between now and then with countries/regions that have the most buying power likely to head the queue.What is the plan in NZ?
The aim in Australia is for a large (but unspecified) number of people to be vaccinated by midyear and everyone (or as high a % as possible) by late 2021.
It took 200 years to get the polio vaccine fully rolled out.Even if the vaccine is out in November its going to take a considerable amount of time to get enough people vaccinated to let us head back to relatively normal life.
The EU have already ordered 300m so we'll get a good designation as part of that, considering the total EU population is about 450m.I wonder how many little old Ireland can order
And complicated by which vaccines each country has to import vs manufacture under license.That will be the aim everywhere. Full roll-out as soon as possible. Remains to be seen how many countries achieve that aim. Will be a hell of a lot of jockeying for access between now and then with countries/regions that have the most buying power likely to head the queue.
The more vaccines approved in the next 6-12 months the less frantic the scramble.
Hard to know but I suspect supply will be the key determining factor in most countries although some of the vaccines that require very cold storage conditions might be less suitable for some parts of the world.If we were to get multiple vaccines, is it possible that people will be choosing which vaccine they want to take, weighing up different pros and cons? Or is that something that would just be dictated by the profile of that person and decided by the health service, presumably with some costs taken into account?
I'm also wondering if NZ might benefit if AU made huge quantities of the UQ vaccine as planned. I assume that a NZ/AU bubble gradually expanding to our pacific neighbors might well be a very high priority for all concerned.We have an initial number of doses for 750,000 but after that Im not sure what the next effort will be. Im thinking that in terms of most of the planet getting to a more normal place its going to take at least a year, probably 2. The logistics of it all are pretty huge.
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Resume normal life and make it impossible to participate in society without having been vaccinated could be a solution. I wouldn't be against it if you could only enter restaurants / pubs if you have proof of vaccination.Puts to bed any 'real mortality is 0.01%' and similar arguments.
As for vaccine, I do enjoy that other countries will be able to get back to semi-normal next year because of it. I don't have much hope for Poland, according to recent surveys less than half of our population will consider getting themselves vaccinated if the vaccine is proven safe and efficient, and other survey suggest the number could be as low as 10-12%. Second one makes more sense than just less than half as recent surveys show that 20% do not believe covid exists at all, 46% do not believe you can die from covid so I would imagine all of them would not get vaccinated at all and would also discourage their families. More than 10% believe it's a plot to put microchips into people's bodies and depopulate Earth. Vaccine is really pointless if all you can do is get 10% to take it.
Sounds like a good idea but there would be riots against NWO and Bill Gates here if that happened. There already were when they asked people to wear masks in closed spaces.Resume normal life and make it impossible to participate in society without having been vaccinated could be a solution. I wouldn't be against it if you could only enter restaurants / pubs if you have proof of vaccination.
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Or certainly restrict movement to other countries.Resume normal life and make it impossible to participate in society without having been vaccinated could be a solution. I wouldn't be against it if you could only enter restaurants / pubs if you have proof of vaccination.
Yep same. Had been away for a week and just got back at the weekend. Went out yesterday expecting a full-blown lockdown, but even the bookshop was open, serving from a table that was blocking the door. Ditto with estate agents and other 'essential businesses', such as the three drycleaners we have within about 5m of each other near our flat.I'm not sure I'd call what's going on at the moment a lockdown. Literally every shop on my high street is open...even the Estate agents are packed with weirdos in suits. Roads are no less busy and there doesn't seem to be any noticable difference to how many people are going in to work. Schools are still open.
The schools situation is very difficult but outside of that I dont get the point in doing a lockdown if it's going to be some super half arsed version. It's just kicking the problem such a tiny way down the road that you barely even buy yourself any time.
It doesn't really. You don't prove anything by taking such tiny samples and trying to generalise. Particularly not from an environment where the people are unlikely to be as healthy or particularly well treated as your average group of people. I doubt they rush prison inmates to the front of the line for health care either. If the mortality rate for covid wasn't extremely low the death numbers would be a lot more horrific due to how easily it seems to be passed from person to person.Puts to bed any 'real mortality is 0.01%' and similar arguments.
As for vaccine, I do enjoy that other countries will be able to get back to semi-normal next year because of it. I don't have much hope for Poland, according to recent surveys less than half of our population will consider getting themselves vaccinated if the vaccine is proven safe and efficient, and other survey suggest the number could be as low as 10-12%. Second one makes more sense than just less than half as recent surveys show that 20% do not believe covid exists at all, 46% do not believe you can die from covid so I would imagine all of them would not get vaccinated at all and would also discourage their families. More than 10% believe it's a plot to put microchips into people's bodies and depopulate Earth. Vaccine is really pointless if all you can do is get 10% to take it.
My high street is exactly the same, every store has decided they're essential it seems. All it's really done is hit the hospitality industry which yeah they're contributing to the rise but not enough for them to face the brunt of this lockdown.I'm not sure I'd call what's going on at the moment a lockdown. Literally every shop on my high street is open...even the Estate agents are packed with weirdos in suits. Roads are no less busy and there doesn't seem to be any noticable difference to how many people are going in to work. Schools are still open.
The schools situation is very difficult but outside of that I dont get the point in doing a lockdown if it's going to be some super half arsed version. It's just kicking the problem such a tiny way down the road that you barely even buy yourself any time.
Yeah literally the only places closed on the high street here were the charity shops, CEX and an electrics store. Everywhere else has found a way to stay open....and the roads are an absolute fecking nightmare, even outside of the school traffic. First time round the roads were absolutely empty. Absolutely no difference at all to the people going into our offices either. Still not ecxactly full of people but yesterday was the most people I've seen in since March.Yep same. Had been away for a week and just got back at the weekend. Went out yesterday expecting a full-blown lockdown, but even the bookshop was open, serving from a table that was blocking the door. Ditto with estate agents and other 'essential businesses', such as the three drycleaners we have within about 5m of each other near our flat.
That's the thing it's going to potentially decimate the hospitality industry anyway, and that will have a knock on effect for every industry. We're already seeing this happen really and the reality of it is only just starting to hit a lot of people.My high street is exactly the same, every store has decided they're essential it seems. All it's really done is hit the hospitality industry which yeah they're contributing to the rise but not enough for them to face the brunt of this lockdown.
It was a bit predictable that people wouldn't treat this lockdown with the seriousness it deserves. i really hope the R comes down irrespective because if i can't have Christmas and see my parents for only the 2nd time this year i'm going to be apocalyptic.
I'm not saying it's going to be 6%, it obviously won't be among general population. However putting this at 0.1% has really no foundation at this point because as it's been mentioned in both threads, there are countries and areas where more than 0.1% of general population has died with covid and it doesn't appear that they have any sort of herd immunity either as people are still getting infected. I can believe anything between 0.4% and 1.0% range but definitely not 0.1%.It doesn't really. You don't prove anything by taking such tiny samples and trying to generalise. Particularly not from an environment where the people are unlikely to be as healthy or particularly well treated as your average group of people. I doubt they rush prison inmates to the front of the line for health care either. If the mortality rate for covid wasn't extremely low the death numbers would be a lot more horrific due to how easily it seems to be passed from person to person.
Second point is part of where the difficulty will be with all countries I think. Having a vaccine is one thing but finding an effective way to both distribute it to enough people for it to make a difference, and then also convincing people to have it, is another battle. I think though ultimately when it comes to the more vulnerable at least, the fear of dying either from them or their loved ones will mean common sense will prevail...and 90% effectiveness just sounds too good to be true, as it means it's less of an issue if the less at risk people decide to opt out. So you don't necessarily need to be trying to force the entire population to have it for it to work.
Made me laugh that the greetings card shop near the tube station now stocks about five different cleaning products, which are displayed very prominently in the window.Yeah literally the only places closed on the high street here were the charity shops, CEX and an electrics store. Everywhere else has found a way to stay open....and the roads are an absolute fecking nightmare, even outside of the school traffic. First time round the roads were absolutely empty. Absolutely no difference at all to the people going into our offices either. Still not ecxactly full of people but yesterday was the most people I've seen in since March.
I'm not exactly fond of the idea of a lockdown because I think it will just wreck so many lives at this point, but a kind of half one just seems a bit pointless. It wont make enough difference to prevent difficult decisions having to be made in a few weeks time anyway.
Exactly my view as well.After all this clears I hope the world pulls together to go at China, feck knows how they’re just plodding along as if nothing has happened whilst millions die around the world.
Oh joy, this argument againAfter all this clears I hope the world pulls together to go at China, feck knows how they’re just plodding along as if nothing has happened whilst millions die around the world.
How full are ICUs in the Uk? Just been reading some grim occupancy stats from mainland Europe.
532 deaths and 20412 cases for UK but hospital admissions have leveled off
"The TDCJ facilities that have the highest number of deaths from COVID tend to be prisons that house large numbers of elderly incarcerated people as well as individuals with physical disabilities and serious medical conditions"Puts to bed any 'real mortality is 0.01%' and similar arguments.
As for vaccine, I do enjoy that other countries will be able to get back to semi-normal next year because of it. I don't have much hope for Poland, according to recent surveys less than half of our population will consider getting themselves vaccinated if the vaccine is proven safe and efficient, and other survey suggest the number could be as low as 10-12%. Second one makes more sense than just less than half as recent surveys show that 20% do not believe covid exists at all, 46% do not believe you can die from covid so I would imagine all of them would not get vaccinated at all and would also discourage their families. More than 10% believe it's a plot to put microchips into people's bodies and depopulate Earth. Vaccine is really pointless if all you can do is get 10% to take it.
Poland is a pretty big country, you will always be able to find a few tens of thousands of people to start a riot.Sounds like a good idea but there would be riots against NWO and Bill Gates here if that happened. There already were when they asked people to wear masks in closed spaces.
Hmmm... almost exactly two weeks after schools closed...
532 deaths and 20412 cases for UK but hospital admissions have leveled off
Belgium is at 1,450 of a possible 2,000 ICU admissions. Luckily infections and hospitalizations have already levelled off because of the more stringent lockdown so the total ICU number will stay below 1,500 if the the trend continues.How full are ICUs in the Uk? Just been reading some grim occupancy stats from mainland Europe.
I think you're misreading the information to be honest. I don't doubt the death rate varies somewhat from place to place depending on the conditions and the level of care available, but there is nowhere that it will be anything even slightly close to 1%. The biggest difference in the rate from one place to another actually seems to be the level of testing.I'm not saying it's going to be 6%, it obviously won't be among general population. However putting this at 0.1% has really no foundation at this point because as it's been mentioned in both threads, there are countries and areas where more than 0.1% of general population has died with covid and it doesn't appear that they have any sort of herd immunity either as people are still getting infected. I can believe anything between 0.4% and 1.0% range but definitely not 0.1%.