SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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It's a good story -good knows who they've dug out their whatsapp messages- but it's like with any damning story about this government's cronyism, you feel the wider public don't really care and nothing will ever come of it. This apathy is probably part of the problem I guess.
 

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7 day rolling average is what matters. Let’s not forget that Monday’s numbers (a week after youngest half of primary school + sixth year kids all went back to school) were the lowest in 2021. Plus the positivity rate has continued to fall.

However, if the last couple of days numbers is more than a blip then we’re in for some tough decisions in the next few weeks. Especially with all the rest of primary school plus fifth-year coming back on Monday.

I honestly don’t know where we go from here if cases kick off again. This variant is an absolute cnut to suppress. I’m clinging to the fact that I remember thinking we were stuck at 2000, then 1000 and now 500. With multiple blips along the way. The progress is happening. It’s just painfully slow.
Yeah I don't know. I just remember how fecked things got in December after we dropped to level 3 with there still being 300 cases a day. You'd hope that with better weather, people being vaccinated and also .. not having Christmas that opening up wouldn't have the same effect again.

Feels like we were at the perfect level of cases and "freedom" last summer, if we did get to that stage again this summer I think pretty much everyone would be happy enough knowing that the vaccines were coming and later in the year with most adults vaccinated travel abroad could become a possibility again but it really doesn't seem likely right now. Painful stuff.
 

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Yeah I don't know. I just remember how fecked things got in December after we dropped to level 3 with there still being 300 cases a day. You'd hope that with better weather, people being vaccinated and also .. not having Christmas that opening up wouldn't have the same effect again.

Feels like we were at the perfect level of cases and "freedom" last summer, if we did get to that stage again this summer I think pretty much everyone would be happy enough knowing that the vaccines were coming and later in the year with most adults vaccinated travel abroad could become a possibility again but it really doesn't seem likely right now. Painful stuff.
100%.

The problem is we hit that level based on a much less contagious version of the virus (and better compliance with lockdown). I think we’re going to have to settle for a higher daily cases to reopen this time and hope/pray that good weather helps keep a lid on things while we crack on with getting everyone vaccinated. We’re already at a stage where the next surge should have a much lower death toll after vaccinating the elderly.

Hoping/praying for good weather in Ireland. What could possibly go wrong?!
 

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100%.

The problem is we hit that level based on a much less contagious version of the virus (and better compliance with lockdown). I think we’re going to have to settle for a higher daily cases to reopen this time and hope/pray that good weather helps keep a lid on things while we crack on with getting everyone vaccinated. We’re already at a stage where the next surge should have a much lower death toll after vaccinating the elderly.

Hoping/praying for good weather in Ireland. What could possibly go wrong?!
Heh, I feel like the good weather thing is a catch 22 at times as well though. I mean it's surely no coincidence that after last weekend when the weather was really nice for the first time this year and everyone crammed into the parks that we are now seeing cases go up, yet obviously good weather is beneficial towards stopping the spread of the virus.

That's part of why I think level 5 just can't continue much longer. If the weather does get good people will get even more fed up and do what they want anyway, we're already seeing it and it will only get worse. We have to let people travel past 5k and dine outside by May I think, or else it will be a total shitshow.

But hey, at least the travelers can have their massive funerals up in Leitrim without the media batting an eyelid, so that's good!
 

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Heh, I feel like the good weather thing is a catch 22 at times as well though. I mean it's surely no coincidence that after last weekend when the weather was really nice for the first time this year and everyone crammed into the parks that we are now seeing cases go up, yet obviously good weather is beneficial towards stopping the spread of the virus.

That's part of why I think level 5 just can't continue much longer. If the weather does get good people will get even more fed up and do what they want anyway, we're already seeing it and it will only get worse. We have to let people travel past 5k and dine outside by May I think, or else it will be a total shitshow.

But hey, at least the travelers can have their massive funerals up in Leitrim without the media batting an eyelid, so that's good!
Seeing as we both know about that from reading about it in the media, that’s a little harsh. It is annoying though. Must be a nightmare for everyone living there. You can bet your arse they won’t be holding back at the wakes either.
 

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Seeing as we both know about that from reading about it in the media, that’s a little harsh. It is annoying though. Must be a nightmare for everyone living there. You can bet your arse they won’t be holding back at the wakes either.
You mean like the journal who didn't even mention that it was travelers and blocked comments? Rte don't even have an article about it!

https://www.thejournal.ie/carrick-funeral-investigation-5379002-Mar2021/

Anyway, I suppose it's not the thread for it but it is infuriating when they get such special treatment after the media and government scolding anyone else who dares to gather in a park or whatnot.
 

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You mean like the journal who didn't even mention that it was travelers and blocked comments? Rte don't even have an article about it!

https://www.thejournal.ie/carrick-funeral-investigation-5379002-Mar2021/

Anyway, I suppose it's not the thread for it but it is infuriating when they get such special treatment after the media and government scolding anyone else who dares to gather in a park or whatnot.
I read about it in the Irish Times.

The Journal’s a bit weird. Especially the comments section. Full of VERY. ANGRY. PEOPLE.
 

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@11101 @Penna it looks like we are all going red for a while.

On my evening walks around Florence I regularly see groups of people drinking outside bars after 6pm. I saw one huge group of at least 50 kids the other night. It's madness. All self-inflicted.
 

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@11101 @Penna it looks like we are all going red for a while.

On my evening walks around Florence I regularly see groups of people drinking outside bars after 6pm. I saw one huge group of at least 50 kids the other night. It's madness. All self-inflicted.
Everybody has had enough of the government changing the rules and not learning. We are back where we were last February and everybody i know has stopped paying attention to what the rules are at any given time, they just be as careful as they can reasonably be. My province apparently holds the record so far, 16 colour changes since November.
 

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Everybody has had enough of the government changing the rules and not learning. We are back where we were last February and everybody i know has stopped paying attention to what the rules are at any given time, they just be as careful as they can reasonably be. My province apparently holds the record so far, 16 colour changes since November.

It's weird because I see tons of polizia patrolling the city but feck knows what they are looking for. I hear people out after curfew all the time and nobody really seems to give a feck anymore.
 

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It's weird because I see tons of polizia patrolling the city but feck knows what they are looking for. I hear people out after curfew all the time and nobody really seems to give a feck anymore.
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I think they've mostly had enough of persecuting citizens for breaking rules that change so frequently.
 

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@11101 @Penna it looks like we are all going red for a while.

On my evening walks around Florence I regularly see groups of people drinking outside bars after 6pm. I saw one huge group of at least 50 kids the other night. It's madness. All self-inflicted.
I know, we don't have anything like that here of course but it's bad in other parts of the province. They need to get these vaccinations sorted out, it's painfully slow. Marche's still doing the over-80s, who aren't of course the ones who go out socialising at night!
 

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Authorities are scared of travellers.
Yeah I think that's a given. It's mad that our state broadcaster doesn't even have an article about that funeral and yet were happily bashing those Limerick students and the Graftan St protestors for days (not saying they weren't right to to that, but serious double standards).
 

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Yeah I think that's a given. It's mad that our state broadcaster doesn't even have an article about that funeral and yet were happily bashing those Limerick students and the Graftan St protestors for days (not saying they weren't right to to that, but serious double standards).
Political correctness gone mad, innit?!?

(only half-joking here)
 

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I know I keep saying this but looking at Ireland’s figures again today, my area (Mulhuddart) is the highest in Dublin by far. This just doesn’t seem to be dropping around here.
In my head I was thinking why not vaccinate the hotspots?
 

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I know I keep saying this but looking at Ireland’s figures again today, my area (Mulhuddart) is the highest in Dublin by far. This just doesn’t seem to be dropping around here.
In my head I was thinking why not vaccinate the hotspots?
Wouldn't that essentially just encourage everyone to go out and do their own thing so that their area becomes a hotspot? Yes I realize the idiocy of the logic but.. you know.. people are idiots.
 

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Wouldn't that essentially just encourage everyone to go out and do their own thing so that their area becomes a hotspot? Yes I realize the idiocy of the logic but.. you know.. people are idiots.
No I know and you’re right that’s what would happen, the thought did cross my mind.

I just thought some hotspots just aren’t improving so either shoot all the cnuts or jab them
 

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No I know and you’re right that’s what would happen, the thought did cross my mind.

I just thought some hotspots just aren’t improving so either shoot all the cnuts or jab them
Shoot everyone in Mulhuddart? I mean it's not the worst idea I've heard but realistically we should take Blanch out first!
 

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I'd never have guessed that I might get offered a vaccine in the US before the UK. They really seem to be getting their shit together. As for Italy, I don't think I'll get offered one here for another year. Absolutely fecking hopeless.
 

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I'd never have guessed that I might get offered a vaccine in the US before the UK. They really seem to be getting their shit together. As for Italy, I don't think I'll get offered one here for another year. Absolutely fecking hopeless.
Is it really that bad where you are? Mid summer is a realistic target here to have all 10 million of us done.
 

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Well I'm exaggerating a bit but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
We should be up to 300k injections a day from the end of the month and have over 60 million doses in the country by the end of June. I wouldn't be too worried.
 

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Also. If anywhere has been a hot spot through most of these waves there’ll be a pretty good baseline immunity by now. It’s the untouched places that could have the really huge outbreaks.
Stupid question then but why isn’t this area just going down? It’s consistently a hot spot
 

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As soon as quarantine and testing requirements are lifted I'll be heading back too.
Unfortunately, I don't believe quarantine and testing requirements will be lifted in the UK this year.
 

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Unfortunately, I don't believe quarantine and testing requirements will be lifted in the UK this year.
I can strongly see quarantines being removed if a negative test result is present on landing. A scenario of a negative PCR test before flying, and a negative lateral flow on landing will mean no quarantine is needed. With it being in as default, regardless of test outcome, I can see demand for air travel being suppressed somewhat.
 

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Our neighbour and good friend tested positive today, he works in a school. His daughter has symptoms too. There seems to be an explosion of it in our area.
It's kinda expected isn't it? All the vulnerable people have pretty much had the vaccine now, the people testing positive now shouldn't really mean hospital admissions or deaths go up as they should generally be young / healthy people testing positive.
 

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It's kinda expected isn't it? All the vulnerable people have pretty much had the vaccine now, the people testing positive now shouldn't really mean hospital admissions or deaths go up as they should generally be young / healthy people testing positive.
Old people's day center my Mrs has to visit for work, they've all got it, staff and patients.