SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Little premature one had a night in Astrid Lindgren’s hospital on Wednesday for the RS virus we’ve been shitting ourselves about, big sis brought it home from day care where half the school is now off sick. We’ll probably be back in hospital again on Sat or Sun as the virus ”peaks” with the flem build up.
Cause and effect, RS has already absolutely exploded here due to such low levels of natural immunity. They now say they expect flu to annihilate many more than Covid this winter. :( Scary.
Shit. Sorry to hear that. With the focus on covid it’s easy to forget how nasty all the existing respiratory viruses are.
 

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Little premature one had a night in Astrid Lindgren’s hospital on Wednesday for the RS virus we’ve been shitting ourselves about, big sis brought it home from day care where half the school is now off sick. We’ll probably be back in hospital again on Sat or Sun as the virus ”peaks” with the flem build up.
Cause and effect, RS has already absolutely exploded here due to such low levels of natural immunity. They now say they expect flu to annihilate many more than Covid this winter. :( Scary.
Sorry to hear that. Hope she gets well soon. '

Our one-year old caught some kind of virus three and a half weeks ago and still has a runny nose and coughing fits. He's been otherwise well and been eating and drinking like normal, so haven't needed to see anyone about it but whatever virus it is, it's a persistent fecker. We've had symptoms after he got sick and tested ourselves for covid with negative antigen tests. Very weird.
 

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Two separate studies in the US have shown that schools with universal mask wearing are 3.5 times less likely to have an outbreak than those that don't. The studies are relatively large, but have the usual caveats. The first study tries to take into account socio-economic factors, but this could still have an influence.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e1.htm?s_cid=mm7039e1_w

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e3.htm?s_cid=mm7039e3_w
 

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Well, I've got it. Thank feck for the jab, even with that it's knocked me for 6, I hate to think what it would have been like before!
 

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Two separate studies in the US have shown that schools with universal mask wearing are 3.5 times less likely to have an outbreak than those that don't. The studies are relatively large, but have the usual caveats. The first study tries to take into account socio-economic factors, but this could still have an influence.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e1.htm?s_cid=mm7039e1_w

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e3.htm?s_cid=mm7039e3_w
One difficulty in the comparison is that mask mandates are mostly a Democrat thing, and the current cases are mostly in those Republican areas that weren't hard hit in the earlier waves, but are in this one. I admit that's a glib description but I think it's not that far off true.

This thread on deaths in the Delta wave gives an idea of just how marked the differences are:
 

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The ONS do surveillance of covid cases in the UK by doing random tests. Though their data is a week or so old when we see it, it acts as a cross-check on the data collected by the testing system. It also asks the people being tested questions about their circumstances/behaviour - like who they live with and do they wear a mask etc.

This week they've built up a risk profile of who's most likely to get covid at the moment. Basically, being vaccinated reduces your risk. Living with 4 or more people, spending time with a school age kid increases it. No surprise, just interesting to see the numbers.

A nice summary of the report

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...yriskoftestingpositiveforcovid19september2021
 

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The ONS do surveillance of covid cases in the UK by doing random tests. Though their data is a week or so old when we see it, it acts as a cross-check on the data collected by the testing system. It also asks the people being tested questions about their circumstances/behaviour - like who they live with and do they wear a mask etc.

This week they've built up a risk profile of who's most likely to get covid at the moment. Basically, being vaccinated reduces your risk. Living with 4 or more people, spending time with a school age kid increases it. No surprise, just interesting to see the numbers.

A nice summary of the report

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...yriskoftestingpositiveforcovid19september2021
That’s interesting. Although I reckon the mask is acting more as a marker for people who are generally cautious/careful than the primary reason for reduced incidence.
 

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That’s interesting. Although I reckon the mask is acting more as a marker for people who are generally cautious/careful than the primary reason for reduced incidence.
Yep, and there's really no difference between "always" and "sometimes" on the results. Anybody answering "never" is in a different mindset, and the mask is just part of that.

I think the two that really count are the vaccination (and prior infection) and number of people you live with categories.
 

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So you would lock up all the children below 12 years old in the UK?
Or vaccinate them, as will be possible soon?

And you know that wasn't what BB was suggesting anyway. Stop being disingenuous.
 
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That's a nice chart seeing as I'm flying to Spain on Thursday.

Also not really surprising as we have incredible vaccination numbers mixed with being one of very few countries left with those sort of numbers with restrictions still in place.

Gotta be honest, I've no idea what a resilience score is based on, though!
It’s explained in the article linked. The higher the score the more “normal” a life we’re living while dealing with Delta. The fewer restrictions the better the score. Which is the opposite of what you seem to think is happening.

The Covid Resilience Ranking is a monthly snapshot of where the virus is being handled the most effectively with the least social and economic upheaval. Compiled using 12 data indicators that span virus containment, the quality of healthcare, vaccination coverage, overall mortality and progress toward restarting travel and easing border curbs, the Ranking captures which of the world’s biggest 53 economies are responding best—and worst—to the same once-in-a-generation threat.
Side note. New Zealand currently all the way down in 38th place.
 

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It’s explained in the article linked. The higher the score the more “normal” a life we’re living while dealing with Delta. The fewer restrictions the better the score. Which is the opposite of what you seem to think is happening.
That's an odd take. I haven't said anything in here about our restrictions in Ireland since August 31st and that was actually advocating against reopening certain aspects of our society.
I don't really get why they are doing everything else involving public transport and people being back in offices so close to the schools reopening and I'm pessimistic as to whether the 22nd Oct will actually happen given the annual HSE shitshow that usually occurs around that time will surely be even worse than normal, but here's hoping!
I think all in all everything is pretty good here right now, looking forward to the 22nd October though there's feck all happening then that impacts me really, guess it'll be nice to just walk into a pub/restaurant again and sit wherever and with whomever? That's mostly cause I feel sorry for the staff who are totally overworked trying to do table service!
 

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That's an odd take. I haven't said anything in here about our restrictions in Ireland since August 31st and that was actually advocating against reopening certain aspects of our society.

I think all in all everything is pretty good here right now, looking forward to the 22nd October though there's feck all happening then that impacts me really, guess it'll be nice to just walk into a pub/restaurant again and sit wherever and with whomever? That's mostly cause I feel sorry for the staff who are totally overworked trying to do table service!
Ah. Ok. Looks like I’ve misremembered your opinions. Sorry about that. We’ll call it even stevens after you posted about me being a lockdown fanatic!
 

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Ah. Ok. Looks like I’ve misremembered your opinions. Sorry about that. We’ll call it even stevens after you posted about me being a lockdown fanatic!
:lol: that's not quite what I said but fine.

I was overly critical of the government's slow approach to reopening earlier in the year but in fairness we've never had to reimpose restrictions after opening up and our vaccine programme was incredible so even though I despise FFG I think it's been pretty good overall and I'm optimistic for the winter*

*and dreading getting a cold :nervous:
 

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:lol: that's not quite what I said but fine.

I was overly critical of the government's slow approach to reopening earlier in the year but in fairness we've never had to reimpose restrictions after opening up and our vaccine programme was incredible so even though I despise FFG I think it's been pretty good overall and I'm optimistic for the winter*

*and dreading getting a cold :nervous:
:lol: same

It’s interesting though. I only ever get maybe one cold/year. And that’s back in the days of licking people’s faces to say hello and coming into work absolutely streaming with germs. So you’d wonder if it will become even more a rarity now?

I was thinking this when I was in London last week. Spent most of my time in crowded tubes, restaurants and pubs. Came home with not a bother on me. And London is supposedly hopping with the ‘rona. You forget how it was possible to go months without catching any viruses at all, despite everyone around you being riddled with them. And covid isn’t all that much mode transmissible than the rest of them.
 

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:lol: same

It’s interesting though. I only ever get maybe one cold/year. And that’s back in the days of licking people’s faces to say hello and coming into work absolutely streaming with germs. So you’d wonder if it will become even more a rarity now?

I was thinking this when I was in London last week. Spent most of my time in crowded tubes, restaurants and pubs. Came home with not a bother on me. And London is supposedly hopping with the ‘rona. You forget how it was possible to go months without catching any viruses at all, despite everyone around you being riddled with them. And covid isn’t all that much mode transmissible than the rest of them.
I'd usually get 2 or 3 a year and they tend to be bad enough to keep me out of work for a day, maybe, but I recover quick enough. Hard to know what it'll be like now having not had one for nearly 2 years!

Mad that you were in London and got nothing. I haven't either and I've been back home, in pubs, restaurants, visiting family (and their disease ridden kids!). Be interesting to see what happens in Spain. Guess it's true when Ryanair say their planes have the best air filtration systems though!

But yeah I'm convinced work is the biggest spreader of the lot, mainly because it's the one place people have always historically gone into when they actually have a fecking cold, cause people are really stupid. So I guess the most likely place for me to get one is when I am eventually back in the office. You'd hope Covid has changed the culture a bit now though and people actually do stay the feck at home when they have the sniffles.
 

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Or vaccinate them, as will be possible soon?

And you know that wasn't what BB was suggesting anyway. Stop being disingenuous.
It is very interesting that you choose to quote that post, despite the fact that the user already responded and addressed the point, whilst simultaneously you also fail to address any of the points I raised earlier here when discussing covid passports with you:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sar...lliness-please.452816/page-1516#post-27811675
 

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If I was a manager I would be throwing coffee mugs at them when they spouted that. This is not an independent choice for them. Either get jabbed or find a new club/profession.

I can only guess that Kante is one of these anti vaxxers (silent or otherwise). In such a close PL season to miss a game when it could have been avoided is a serious breach. Like not bothering to wake up for training one day. Imagine Chelsea lose that game due to midfield and fall further behind.
 

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It’s explained in the article linked. The higher the score the more “normal” a life we’re living while dealing with Delta. The fewer restrictions the better the score. Which is the opposite of what you seem to think is happening.



Side note. New Zealand currently all the way down in 38th place.
Our transition to living with the virus will be slow until our vaccination numbers get higher. We just had an Irish expert on our news talking about how Ireland got things turned around, think there are some big lessons for us there. I bet we slide down a bit more as restrictions will carry on right up till xmas.