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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Imagine if you increase the exposure people have then besides the usual Christmas stuff.
It won’t be on top of the usual Christmas stuff. It will be instead of it. Most people basically stop socialising in January. That should offset the impact of schools opening. It seems as though omicron’s been ripping through school age kids during the holidays anyway. Can’t be many more not yet exposed.
 

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It won’t be on top of the usual Christmas stuff. It will be instead of it. Most people basically stop socialising in January. That should offset the impact of schools opening. It seems as though omicron’s been ripping through school age kids during the holidays anyway. Can’t be many more not yet exposed.
That's my thinking on it. Both my sons classes were riddled in December. Three local schools in fact where empty of kids relatively in the run up to Christmas.
 

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That's my thinking on it. Both my sons classes were riddled in December. Three local schools in fact where empty of kids relatively in the run up to Christmas.
Yeah, it was rife towards the end of last term and just as rife during the holidays. The numbers are so insane right now it’s not sustainable. I fully expect them to peak within a week or two of schools reopening.
 

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Right, help me out with a situation here lads…

Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.

Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.

Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.

Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.

Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.

Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.

The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
I had the same, I felt a little feverish before having my booster but decided to have it anyway, just about recovered now, I’m guessing I had covid topped up by the booster.
 

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Also I’ve had covid twice, first time full of lethargy, this time felt like when I last got the flu about 5 years ago but obviously boosted by the booster.

Interesting to see how English hospitals cope over the next fortnight if it’s okay then I’m assuming it’s basically over.
 

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Thanks. I guess the question really is, how quickly do you go from contracting covid, to then being infectious, to then being positive? I guess there is no one set guaranteed answer, but any advice would be super useful!

The person definitely caught it on 27th since the people they were with on the 27th have also tested positive. Which means it would have to be unless the people there all caught it at a similar time seperately?
I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
 

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I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
7-10 is typical longest incubation. Shortest was typically around 4 days for Delta, and looks like it may be shorter for Omicron.

It's difficult to calculate for Omicron due to the combination of how infectious it is - people often don't know when they caught it, and the fact that cases can remain asymptomatic or with only vague symptoms (like fatigue) for days after they become infectious.
 

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Just got my home PCR test this morning did it sent it away and then did another lateral flow test just after which still said positive so will be interesting to see if it's the same result
 

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They all were so can't be again so soon.
That's the hope anyway
I think they are banking on it plus he fact that so many have got it over Christmas. But look we had ten teachers out in the last week sick, I’m not sure what kind of schooling they will receive in the first week or 2 anyway. Especially since the government has released the students to fill in
 

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I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
When pretty much all but a couple of people there got it, and they call came positive on a lateral flow within a 12 hour period, I’d say it’s a very safe prediction to make.

Anyway much less stressed out now, we’ve cancelled our NYE plans although still showing negative on lateral flow just to be safe for others!
 

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I think they are banking on it plus he fact that so many have got it over Christmas. But look we had ten teachers out in the last week sick, I’m not sure what kind of schooling they will receive in the first week or 2 anyway. Especially since the government has released the students to fill in
Reading there on RTE that Tony is keeping the school thing under review. We'll see what happens soon enough
 

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We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
 

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Reading there on RTE that Tony is keeping the school thing under review. We'll see what happens soon enough
One of the in-laws is with the Dept. of Education and they’ve apparently heard nothing i.e. business as usual.
 

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We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
I think a reasonable response would have been to punch the children in the face and then sanitise your hands
 

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If you only start testing positive 5/6 days after symptoms, will you still have a high viral load for the normal amount of time? i.e. you could be isolating for upwards of 2 weeks?
 

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I think a reasonable response would have been to punch the children in the face and then sanitise your hands
One of these days one of your plans won’t involve punching young children in the face.
 

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The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.
 

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The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.
If you report a +ve LFT, does it log as a positive on the NHS formal stats?
 

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The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.
It seems to all be based around tracking numbers at this point. They should have doubled down on temporary test infrastructure for this period, so they could handle the load(pretty obvious that it was going to happen).
 

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The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.
Agreed, makes more sense. Too many disregard what the result of the LFT is until they find out via a PCR
 

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The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.

I needed a PCR test for work. You can log the lateral flow result but you don't get any code or real verification you actually tested positive
 

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We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
A pretend cough or 2 in their direction would be a good reaction, turn to the mother “I’m really sorry, my mate has gone to hospital with a really bad cough, not sure what’s wrong with him.: I hope he hasn’t given me something”
Bet she soon clears out
 

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Boorish Johnson is perhaps the worst prime minister in modern times. Anyone who catches COVID beyond the 20th of December the government are totally at blame. Doesn't matter if the NHS aren't overloaded lockdown should have been initiated before Christmas.

They are supposedly trying to preserve an economy :lol: if the cases continue to be above the million mark do they really think consumers will have demands for anything outside the pharmaceutical markets.

Omicron might cause more mild symptoms but its rate of spreading illness is unlike anything since the whole pandemic initiated.
 

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Cases in The Netherlands are slowly going down since we first lockeddown in the evening at the start of december and more completely now. Very weird to me to see the full stadiums in English football form my locked down part of the world. Especially with the soaring cases.
UK have been among the worst to deal with it.
 

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UK have been among the worst to deal with it.
I think our freedom focused and individualistic western society also lends itself poorly to civil obedience to lockdown rules. Hardly anyone follows all the rules in the Netherlands. I'm starting a new job Monday and a expected to work 50% at the office even if the government explicitly asked to work from home when at all possible.

That being said, our government isn't that great either, but we just keep voting for the same lying dung stain every 4 years :)
 

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We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
Gave me a chuckle.
 

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Seeing more optimism among people for the new year; obviously January/February will have record infections but beyond that things... might be looking up? It's been two years and it kind of feels like a part of life now and it feels weird to think one day think it might all be over.
 

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Have there been any confirmed Omicron deaths of people under 65 with no underlying health conditions/other illnesses who have been double jabbed and boosted?