SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Good god.
A good summary of #scottyfrommarketings shambolic performance.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lian-leaders-must-actually-work-cooperatively
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lian-leaders-must-actually-work-cooperatively
Is there any scientific literature showing that high vitamin D levels correlate to no symptoms or serious illness from Covid-19?
A friend's been recommending I take a ton of Vitamin D; suggested 4000-5000 IU as I fight this thing off (on day 4 after showing symptoms).
I'm sure he's coming from a good place, just wanted to be certain it's based in actual studies....
A friend's been recommending I take a ton of Vitamin D; suggested 4000-5000 IU as I fight this thing off (on day 4 after showing symptoms).
I'm sure he's coming from a good place, just wanted to be certain it's based in actual studies....
That youtube doc has spent some time analysing the various studies out there - https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching/search?query=vitamin d
tl;dr is yes, he's an advocate for it.
Case numbers don’t seem that bad in context of at one point being told they were doubling every 2-3 days and 24,000 of them being Northern Ireland’s catch-up total.
You gotta serious question the accuracy of the numbers though in particular at this time of the year.
Especially when there’s such a shortage of LFTs and PCRs - normally they’d say genuine cases is X times the official number but you then have to multiply that again I’d imagine.
The key figure for me would be the hospitalisations which, between 19th and 21st averages at about 1100 per day, which is about 40-45% up on the average for the previous week. Combine that with increased NHS absences due positive cases could spell trouble.
It was a shit joke really. I like Akira.
The advice is contradictory. The French authorities have evidently said Brits who have official residence in another European country will be judged to have a "compelling reason" to transit France, and will just need to show proof of residence.
If that's the case, this will only affect Brits who have a second home in another European country.
Nothing wrong with Vit D so this isn’t a response to that but having loved his videos at the start of the pandemic you can’t help notice the subtle red flags recently that he wouldn’t look out of place on the Tory backbench. Constantly pushing ivermectin, slating the EU, having underhanded digs at Fauci and Biden, loving what Scott Morrison had to say a few days back about getting on with it, thinks the Public Health organisations are overstating omnicron and lying to us…been some little undertones I haven’t liked recently from him. I still watch because he’s good at breaking down data but definitely not as balanced as he used to appear.
I travel into London every day for work and have pretty much been working all year as normal. Got my first two jabs in spring and then the booster a few weeks ago. Now with Omicron mask wearing is back in public railway transport. Not enforced because a few go about without a mask with no problem but pretty much 99% are going about wearing a mask again voluntarily and with no problem. It's no inconvenience to wear a mask and maintain to the guidelines. It has always been in place for buses without a break because obviously a bus is a smaller spaced vehicle which gets packed quickly.
Hopefully the news that Omicron is mild per the reporting from South African medical experts is correct. There basically hasn't been a lockdown here since the start of the pandemic. Even if the government enforce a lockdown people aren't going to follow it.
Hopefully the news that Omicron is mild per the reporting from South African medical experts is correct. There basically hasn't been a lockdown here since the start of the pandemic. Even if the government enforce a lockdown people aren't going to follow it.
I personally it derives from the worst influence of the whole Protestant work ethic stuff from the 19th century, "idle hands do the devil's work" and all that. And of course, many business owners don't care about their employees health at all and view them as morally inferior for not being rich.
For the UK population, I think we're getting to the point where Covid is a mild cold for 57.5%, a bad cold for a 24.8%, a 'flu' for 7.6% and a severe 'flu' for 10.1%.
But as more people catch it, it'll become a common cold for everyone. We just need to balance the herd immunity strategy with not overloading the NHS with people from the 10.1%. The selfish cnuts.
Thankfully, I think the NHS appears to be holding out so far.
Yes, I think that's part of it. In this specific case the owners are greedy, uncaring scum, but I'm sure many were and are scared of losing their business. I'm surprised we haven't lost more restaurants than we have. Since we know the state and our fellow citizens won't help us get our business or lost profits back, why should we destroy our livelihood for them (is the thinking I imagine)? Not to mention many employees can't afford to not work.
We need a really big celebrity with long covid to get people to care.
That's a good point about some business owners just being scared to lose their business. Especially since those PPP loans didn't always go to true small businesses. I know some big, rich firms received some of those loans despite being wealthy businesses stacked with cash (they were just under the 150-200 employee threshold).
For restaurants, the one that seemed to weather the quarantine around me, were the ones that could easily transition to take-out and/or had parking lot space to open outdoor patios (this being Los Angeles that's more viable than it would have been in Minneapolis). Some of the local restaurants here were absolutely booming with take-out. Some of the large chain restaurants though seemed to struggle the most.
At that level it will be a few days to get everyone in the country
I think things are going to get pretty dicey - the numbers in hospital are going up fast and it’s now translating into the older age groups. Thankfully I don’t think ventilation/ICU bed numbers are going up much - but the sheer numbers visiting hospitals could get pretty high. Usual proviso about with not because of/hospital acquired etc but there’s definitely going to be massive strain on the NHS even in the best case scenario. The admission numbers in London have only gone up by 20 from yesterday and cases MAY have peaked there so hopefully admissions are approaching their peak too.
For the UK population, I think we're getting to the point where Covid is a mild cold for 57.5%, a bad cold for a 24.8%, a 'flu' for 7.6% and a severe 'flu' for 10.1%.
But as more people catch it, it'll become a common cold for everyone. We just need to balance the herd immunity strategy with not overloading the NHS with people from the 10.1%. The selfish cnuts.
Thankfully, I think the NHS appears to be holding out so far.
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Fair points.
I'd be looking at the London numbers as a canary in the coalmine. If they can cope (with their low vaccinations rates and high population density and high rates of lung damage from chimney sweeping), so should everywhere else.
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In light of the soaring numbers of positives, Italy's about to bring in new rules about quarantine for non-symptomatic people who've had close contact with someone who's tested positive.
If you've had your booster or are no more than 4 months after your second vaccine dose (or have recently recovered from Covid), you won't have to quarantine. You'll have to wear an FFP2 mask in public for 10 days and take a test on day 5. People who had their second vaccination more than 4 months ago will have to quarantine for 7 days. Unvaccinated people wll have to do it for 10 days.
This is in line with the trend here to differentiate between people who've done as advised by the Government (i.e., had the vaccinations and booster), and the minority who have chosen not to do so.
If you've had your booster or are no more than 4 months after your second vaccine dose (or have recently recovered from Covid), you won't have to quarantine. You'll have to wear an FFP2 mask in public for 10 days and take a test on day 5. People who had their second vaccination more than 4 months ago will have to quarantine for 7 days. Unvaccinated people wll have to do it for 10 days.
This is in line with the trend here to differentiate between people who've done as advised by the Government (i.e., had the vaccinations and booster), and the minority who have chosen not to do so.
Right, help me out with a situation here lads…
Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.
Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.
Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.
Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.
Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.
Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.
The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.
Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.
Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.
Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.
Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.
Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.
The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
Sounds like you'd be a day early of the 7 days at worst(taking the 26th as your first day of symptoms). Do an LFT tonight and then tomorrow and you're probably good to go, as per UK rules.
Here's something a bit beyond anecdata, preprint of study in the Lancet regarding hospital outcomes - compared to beta and delta variants- for patients in the omicron wave recently in South Africa which found reduction in percentage hospitalised, reduction in median length of stay in hospital, reduced percentage of patients needing supplemental oxygen and ICU admission, reduced severe disease - with outcomes such as respiratory distress, death considered.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3996320
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3996320
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Over 20k today in ireland. A new record.
still stubbornly going to open the schools next week I believe
still stubbornly going to open the schools next week I believe
Totally agree. I've stopped watching him as I no longer trust him to be impartial.
You seem sure you have/had it and you think you got it at the same time as people who got tested and have to isolate until Jan 4th. You still have symptoms so you will be infectious so it isn't about following the rules, it is about not infecting others. And bear in mind LFT's have a high false negative rate so a negative when you are almost certain to have covid means little.
NSW alone topped 21k today. We win. Erm, lose.
Why not just book a PCR for tomorrow? We didn't have any trouble getting one done on the same day. It doesn't take much effort to just do that.
Why not ?
Would appreciate some thoughts on this one please! Had a small get together on 28th. Someone who was there tested positive on the morning of the 30th on lateral flow. The gathering was indoors, for several hours. Certainly was near this person (I.e within 2M) for cumulatively at least an hour. That person was exposed to Covid on 27th. I.e that’s when they got it, and subsequently tested positive on 30th. What are my chances of being fecked? I’ve been negative on LFT each day so far. But suppose if I had it, based on the above, I’d remain negative until at some point today or tomorrow.
Because it will futher accelerate infections I would have though.
We are being told 25% of infections don't test positive until more than 7 days after exposure.
Thanks. I guess the question really is, how quickly do you go from contracting covid, to then being infectious, to then being positive? I guess there is no one set guaranteed answer, but any advice would be super useful!
The person definitely caught it on 27th since the people they were with on the 27th have also tested positive. Which means it would have to be unless the people there all caught it at a similar time seperately?
@Wibble Schools are closed since 22nd December here and ases are higher than ever.
Imagine if you increase the exposure people have then besides the usual Christmas stuff.
We don't know the stats for Omicron. It looks shorter than for Delta but even that's not certain.
For risk assessment you could be looking at exposure to infectious timelines something like: 0-24 hours unlikely, 24-48 getting steadily more possible, 48+ very possible.
Cases in The Netherlands are slowly going down since we first lockeddown in the evening at the start of december and more completely now. Very weird to me to see the full stadiums in English football form my locked down part of the world. Especially with the soaring cases.
Thanks buddy.
Countries have done different things but usually by and large have been quite aligned holistically in approach (apart from the odd exception). It seems now though, different countries are taking very different paths.