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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I suppose that depends on whether the government sticks to their plan or not. Hopefully you are right and they abandon it within the next few weeks.
Can somebody who has a good grasp of this shit answer? I've thought the same thing (live on my own and can stay away from family/friends)
Context to the UK strategy.
We're basically preparing for the worst and trying to save as many lives as possible when real tidal wave of cases hit.
Tell him not to get tested. Just self-isolate for 7 days. The process of going to get tested involves waiting rooms etc...
Just stay the feck home. If he becomes increasingly unwell - increasing short of breath, chest pains etc, then phone 111.
This has been the protocol for a number of days now.
They should be testing healthcare workers. I am going to be likely called back into my A&E job and will be seeing other doctors, consultants where I am. The guidelines suggest that I have to go into work if I'm asymptomatic or into work if symptomatic after 7 days. We all know regarding
Huge swathes of healthcare workers will be superspreaders to other colleagues, families and patients.
This article explains here the rationale for increased community testing from the benefits of ascertaining where to focus resources to help local services plan for outbreaks within communities and I think we are all for flattening the curve but governmental strategy in real terms is inadequate in achieving that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...experts-fear-epidemic-will-let-rip-through-uk
Could that source look any dodgier?
This is what we’re looking at I’m afraid. People have been so slow to realise.
How does:
- 80% are expected to be infected (UK's leak)
- 70% are going to get infected (Angela Merkel)
- 50-70% to 20-60% are going to be infected (many experts)
is never, ever going to happen?
Spanish flu (in a less connected world) infected around 1/3 of the world. Why a more contagious virus is going to infect less?
People are going to be for a shock in the next few weeks/months.
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I've thought this too, they're not certain that you can't catch it twice yet though, I'd be game for catching it now and then being able to go do work and stuff properly again. Be able to shop while the Mrs and the kids stay home or whatever, do me nans shopping etc.
How do you know that you are no longer sick? Are you suggesting that people get tested multiple times? If we do that, a large amount of the population won't be tested at all before March 2021. If you take S.Korea as an example their superior testing methods allow at best 20k tests per day that means that to test everyone at that rate they would a year to just test people once, people already tested and negative could be infected by people that haven't been tested yet during that year.
Is it based on herd immunity and no lockdown?
We'll have a lockdown and herd immunity is only mentioned as a byproduct and not part of the plan.
couldn't give a scooby's mate
Outbreak no 5 on US Netflix top watched movies.
https://www.thewrap.com/outbreak-movie-top-10-netflix-titles-movies-pandemic-tv-series-coronavirus/
https://www.thewrap.com/outbreak-movie-top-10-netflix-titles-movies-pandemic-tv-series-coronavirus/
He's a former fitness YouTuber, I've always enjoyed his opinions. Not agreeing or disagreeing with him, just thought I'd post. He's also building an airplane in his shed!80% are going to catch the bug no matter how many lockdowns we do. That's 53.6 million people.
Of those 53.6 million people, 15% will need hospital treatment. That's 8 million people needing to go to hospital.
The Guardian is reporting queues in front of dutch cannabis shop before they are closed.
Imagine having to choose between toilet paper and weed
Imagine having to choose between toilet paper and weed
Too many unknowns. If we assume that 70-80% are going to be infected anyway, then yes, from a selfish point of view, it might be better now (when you can expect medical care) than in two months when next to no medical care will be available.
If everyone thinks the same though, then it just makes the spread faster. Also, you can always expect to be in the lucky 20-30% (or in some forecasts 70-80%) that don't get it. And while a young fit person is not in a big danger (in average), there is still a non-trivial chance of having long-term consequences or even dying. The whistleblower, for example, was just 33 years old, and died from it. Additionally, there are already many testing going on different anti-virals, so some of them might be successful, and so in a few months, the chances of dying might decrease further more.
So, my opinion would be to avoid getting it.
1. There is absolutely no guarantee that just because you are not high risk group, it won't kill you
2. If you get it, you will still need to get medical care, meaning you will be taking up resources at a hospital, and can still infect people including medical staff. There is no such thing as 100% safety. Plus if enough people start thinking like you - we are up for a complete disaster. Think about that.
3. If you can isolate yourself, the best thing to do is to not get it. Don't listen to Gebelsian morons saying that the solution here is to infect 40% of population. The solution is to slow the spread as much as possible and meanwhile develop vaccines, which is what most people should get. Anybody advocating for intentional infection of people (e.g. certain UK official insinuating) should in my opinion go to jail.
Heads up to all the (Republic) Irish - my girlfriend got a call from her mother (who works in child care), she got a call from the guards saying the country will more than likely be on full lockdown from 11 tomorrow
I work in the NHS. A hospital in Glasgow has floated the idea of 'Coronavirus Clinics' where younger, less risky individuals are invited to come and actively contract the virus and self isolate for 7 days with the aim they can be productive after this period.
It's a reasonable idea, but carries it's own inherit risks. There is a huge amount of trust placed on these people to properly self-isolate, you can be guaranteed not all of them would follow them to the word. Also, it may catch a few of them out and make them severely unwell, adding a previously unneeded burden on the health system.
The plan, as far as I'm aware, is to just be careful with social distancing. Aiming for 20 million infections over 8 months rather than 10 million in 1 month for example. The focus is less on the virus itself, but protecting the NHS from collapsing under the weight of cases.
Airport testing is pretty ineffective I think. Asymptomatic patients get through and taking paracetamol can mask high temperatures. In the US there are 6 hour queues in airports currently with people packed in like sardines. It’s like holding loads of football matches.
There’s no way on earth the government can have hundreds to thousands dying everyday and insisting people go on as normal. There would be riots. I do feel the herd immunity narrative has taken on a life of its own.
The Guardian is reporting queues in front of dutch cannabis shop before they are closed.
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Easy choice , wipe with your hand.The Guardian is reporting queues in front of dutch cannabis shop before they are closed.
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1. correct.
2. not correct, you may get it but not need medical attention.
3. agree with bold, personally I don't want to get it, but the odds are that I will.
Rumors all over the place. This does seem to suggest full lockdown by Friday at the latest:
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Problem is I don't think anyone can confidently.
I'm not against the Uk approach, but they really need to test everyone if possible just so we know where we stand when comes the people around us.
not everyone who gets it needs medical care. For most people you will treat it like any flu, plenty of fluids, rest, stay in bed.
Same here, waiting for my man to come through with the essentials
It's too fecking late now - a load of fecking clowns out partying every night, even tonight, spreading it everywhere. I'm fecking raging at them, the stupidity of humanity is beyond quantification
One of the experts on Obama's administration is expecting over 1 million deaths in the US: https://god.dailydot.com/coronaviru...RUxzCMW1_ryK1Ak2IspjKlxO_Bl-TTIgqkWUfAMKqpNJk
Well I thought is was 5 % for a start, and then I'm not buying into 80 % infected been the final number, no way near, I'm just not into worst case scenario, where is best case scenario in this thread?
From 23:59 on 16 March, there will no direct air links between Austria and the UK. Too late. And I don’t think they’d let me in as a British citizen now anyway.
5% is intensive care.
15% hospitalisations
These are borne out by Chinese and Italian data.
Shouldnt they be shutting down before the nhs cant cope? Thats all everyone is saying though.
We all think they'll end up shutting down to late.
Better to shut down a week early than a week late
Agreed, it seems we are in a similar situation in life, but we'd need clarity that we'd had it, rather than just a normal bug.
20% catching it, with 5% of them needing intensive care, and 0.7% dying.
That puts 90k people dying.
This is arguably the best-case scenario, if no draconian measures are taken.
If draconian measures are taken (China, Korea, Japan, Singapore), then it could be much better, but many experts think that that ship has sailed in January.
80% ain't happening then.
Yea there is a rumour spreading on whatsapp.
Some on the boards saying it is false although a lockdown will eventually have to happen at some point, bar the big shops and pharmacies.
I presume the GP is open too.