SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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I'm close enough to that to understand. Look after yourself.
I'm doing my best. Local addiction clinic has been in touch and I have a phone appointment booked for tomorrow, so i'm being looked after as best I can in the circumstances.
 

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I will bet that in her autopsy it's found she had some unknown underlying condition. Still, sad news and RIP.
Why? Nothing I've read says that being healthy and young makes you immune to die from this.
 

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Perhaps a dumb question, but one Google couldn’t help answer.

If you have got a few FFP3 masks, would cycling them be a way to safely reuse them? For example, if I stored the mask I wore today to go to the shops for 3 weeks in a paper bag, could I wear that again in 3 weeks with there being virtually zero chance of the coronavirus being live on the mask?

I know they are intended to be disposable, but using them for a couple of hours at a time in areas that put them under a very light load (i.e. fresh or supermarket air, not a building site), is barely using the mask and is not compromising its structure.

I was surprised that there was no research into it.
 

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For Gilead (and by that I mean Trump) to have taken this step so quickly surely means the US are preparing to roll out this medication pretty soon (weeks). Fauci will be put in a cage to only sign papers. Insurance premiums are going through the roof, and that's just for the lucky ones that have the right coverage in the first place.

The trump family are going to be so rich. So, so rich.
It’ll certainly add fuel to the conspiracy fire about the US producing this virus
 

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Why? Nothing I've read says that being healthy and young makes you immune to die from this.
It makes you unlikely to die but not impossible. When the volume of cases goes up, more and more young people will die. It gets reported now because it's quite rare, therefore you see a lot of these '30-year old dies from covid-19' reports but people will get used to this happening when there are more cases. If there are 10 million cases worldwide, and 2 million are in the 18-40 range that is technically 'safer' group, still 2,000 or so of them will die.

Every coronavirus death report in Poland right now says that 'patient had other diseases' as if it's supposed to make everyone else feel safer.
 

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Not been on for an update for a while. Have worked 90hours over the last 9 days so feeling pretty tired now but tonight is my last night and then 3 days off!

Hospital is steadily becoming more organised, many specialist wards have closed and re-opened as Covid wards now. It's incredible to see that in the current climate, how dead ED is and just goes to show how badly abused the service was. Proper guidelines regarding PPE have been updated since I last posted however, they are just saying to use surgical face masks which, I personally don't agree with. Donning and doffing the PPE is a ball ache and my hands are red raw from all the hand washing we do.

The cases are steadily ramping up now, spoke to one fot he doctors this morning who said just over half of her handover this morning was suspected covid (A very tiny % will actually be covid if any). Staff shortages is still a massive issue. On the bank service, there were 68 HCA gaps and 76 Nurse gaps to be filled for today. Unheard of but people are obvisouly self isolating or just don't want to put themselves or their family at risk.

I'm looking forward to it being my last night shift for a week and probably a free dominos delivery for us. Otherwise it's going to be depressing and hectic. Stay safe peeps.
Thanks for your hard work. Stay safe
 

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Bro, I've seen people stocking 8-9 boxes of ice creams. Like wtf ? Is it really a vital thing to buy in these times ?

Also regarding the dish soap, what about this ?
http://homeorchard.ucdavis.edu/8121.pdf
Mostly good foodsafe handling info, but I disagree with the bit about not using washing up liquid because of the risk of residue being on the food. The same logic would apply to the dishes we wash everyday and use to eat and drink from. If there was significant risk from liquid dish soap, we'd have plenty of evidence at this point. Just make sure you rise everything well.

In these times, washing them with water will not kill any viruses on the food. Soap will. The risks from residue are wholly negligible compared to the risk of handling an item contaminated with the virus and then infecting yourself.

Caveat - do not use soap meant for your dishwashing machine.
 

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So Italy from Feb 20th until today have had 7503 deaths sad news indeed , lockdown kicked of 9th March deaths at that stage 463 so Italy God rest their souls have lost 7050 during lockdown.

Whole of China from the date that Wuhan went on lockdown which was the 23 January, Lockdown deaths where 23 at that stage 8th February same period of Lockdown has Italy 811 deaths from whole of China. Lose of life under lockdown 788.
Big difference between the 2. Either the Chinese got in early and controlled the spread or something else not adding up.

But the Italian lockdown seems to be having very little effect at the moment. Maybe early days but scary what is happening in Italy and unfortunately Spain.
 

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Given they're about a sixth of the world's population you'd expect them to be one of the most likely candidates right off the bat. Then if you account for living standards, how they might handle e.g. animals then it might be even more likely.
I don't know why it's not India though, they should be about as likely candidates.
I see what you did there. :wenger:
 

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Mostly good foodsafe handling info, but I disagree with the bit about not using washing up liquid because of the risk of residue being on the food. The same logic would apply to the dishes we wash everyday and use to eat and drink from. If there was significant risk from liquid dish soap, we'd have plenty of evidence at this point. Just make sure you rise everything well.

In these times, washing them with water will not kill any viruses on the food. Soap will. The risks from residue are wholly negligible compared to the risk of handling an item contaminated with the virus and then infecting yourself.

Caveat - do not use soap meant for your dishwashing machine.
Thanks a lot doc. I will implement this now because I still wanna eat vegetables and fruits. It'd be too easy to just consume processed foods
 

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2 is well below 8-9 :lol: Honestly, as stupid as this may sound, I'm using the confinement as a way to lose and burn fat. Just trying to focus on a goal, it'd be so easy to let myself go and go crazy with the calories
I’ve dropped 2.5kg since self isolating
 

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It makes you unlikely to die but not impossible. When the volume of cases goes up, more and more young people will die. It gets reported now because it's quite rare, therefore you see a lot of these '30-year old dies from covid-19' reports but people will get used to this happening when there are more cases. If there are 10 million cases worldwide, and 2 million are in the 18-40 range that is technically 'safer' group, still 2,000 or so of them will die.
Do you mean 20,000? That's going by the 1/500 estimate that we saw weeks ago, though I reckon the odds are bigger than that in reality. In Italy at some point they were saying the 'safer group' was able to fight the disease for longer, and they saw more deaths from that group at the later stages. Iran recorded I think the deaths of at least 10 professional athletes (in the safer group), I doubt all of them had undiagnosed health problems (w.r.t. the earlier post I was replying to).
 

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How are Germany’s numbers so much better than elsewhere?
There are two ways to improve your case fatality rate: the more difficult way is to care for the at-risk patients better and earlier to reduce the change of them dying (reduce the numerator); the easier is to find more patients with the disease who are unlikely to die in the near future (increase the denominator).

German senior figures are heavily cautioning against them being the bearers of best practice in this crisis, which betrays that they feel the latter is more likely.
 

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Anyone know the risk for heavy smokers of cigarettes and even shisha ? Do they struggle more ? Do they die more ?
Read something this week that smokers are substantially more endangered by the virus (as it attacks the respiratory system). And apparently that could be the reason a lot more men have died so far. In China, 50% of men smoke but only 2% of women. That statistic surprised me but I verified it, it's true.
 
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So Italy from Feb 20th until today have had 7503 deaths sad news indeed , lockdown kicked of 9th March deaths at that stage 463 so Italy God rest their souls have lost 7050 during lockdown.

Whole of China from the date that Wuhan went on lockdown which was the 23 January, Lockdown deaths where 23 at that stage 8th February same period of Lockdown has Italy 811 deaths from whole of China. Lose of life under lockdown 788.
Big difference between the 2. Either the Chinese got in early and controlled the spread or something else not adding up.

But the Italian lockdown seems to be having very little effect at the moment. Maybe early days but scary what is happening in Italy and unfortunately Spain.
The corona virus is a reminder that we are all gonna go at some point. A lot of people try to reassure themselves that they do not belong in said "weak group" of individuals susceptible to die from covid and it's a normal process. Personally I don't focus on that because for all I know, a semi truck will run over my car tomorrow morning.
 

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Nice stuff, keep it up. Lots of time to improve a few things in our lives now
Yeah it’s given me a bit of a motivation, I’ve been following Joe Wicks workouts on YouTube and bouncing on the trampoline when the kids aren’t using it. Plus eating less food of course. Being almost out of food makes you think more about what you’re cramming in your mouth
 

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Read something this week that smokers are substantially more endangered by the virus (as it attacks the respirotary system). And apparently that could be the reason a lot more men have died so far. In China, 50% of men smoke but only 2% of women. That statistic surprised me but I verified it, it's true.
I don't have the stats but yeah they also said on CNN that a lot more men die from it than women. I stopped smoking a couple of weeks ago and try to focus on cardio to improve my lungs, whatever little thing that will help I guess.
 

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A lot of people eat their emotions, and a lot of people have a sweet tooth. Don’t be so flip about this, you coked-up cnut!
To be fair, over the last couple of years I've purchased a few things from the supermarket that appear to have been opened and tampered with in the store. I check a lot of stuff now to be sure. Check your ice cream before you buy it.
 

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Canada enforcing the Quarantine Act from midnight tonight, meaning anyone who comes into the country from abroad will be legally required to self-isolate for 14 days.
 

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The corona virus is a reminder that we are all gonna go at some point. A lot of people try to reassure themselves that they do not belong in said "weak group" of individuals susceptible to die from covid and it's a normal process. Personally I don't focus on that because for all I know, a semi truck will run over my car tomorrow morning.
I live in South Africa so the figures I watch are to see which way I think things are going to go in my country. Our government has placed a 21 day lockdown from tomorrow at midnight so far we have just over 700 infected but their is no where to tell the real figure. We have a large population that has aids and many other problems. A government hospital system that has had very little improvement since the fall of Apartheid. God knows how many ventilators but certainly not enough. South Africa could make Italy look a walk in the park.
 

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Yeah it’s given me a bit of a motivation, I’ve been following Joe Wicks workouts on YouTube and bouncing on the trampoline when the kids aren’t using it. Plus eating less food of course. Being almost out of food makes you think more about what you’re cramming in your mouth
And it makes you realize how long you can also go without needing food. It's actually fascinating the needs and cravings we create for ourselves with certain foods.
I have replaced every junk food I used to eat on a weekly basis by oatmeal and milk. That change alone has made big changes in my transit :lol:
The world as we know it is changing forever, more than ever our health is our most precious thing to focus on and improve
 

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So Italy from Feb 20th until today have had 7503 deaths sad news indeed , lockdown kicked of 9th March deaths at that stage 463 so Italy God rest their souls have lost 7050 during lockdown.

Whole of China from the date that Wuhan went on lockdown which was the 23 January, Lockdown deaths where 23 at that stage 8th February same period of Lockdown has Italy 811 deaths from whole of China. Lose of life under lockdown 788.
Big difference between the 2. Either the Chinese got in early and controlled the spread or something else not adding up.

But the Italian lockdown seems to be having very little effect at the moment. Maybe early days but scary what is happening in Italy and unfortunately Spain.
Their measures were more effective. Their health system did not get overwhelmed unlike Italy. They built entire hospitals within 24 hours, and didn't experience any shortage of ICU equipment due to their ability to mass produce. China moved like an actual super power.
 

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So Italy from Feb 20th until today have had 7503 deaths sad news indeed , lockdown kicked of 9th March deaths at that stage 463 so Italy God rest their souls have lost 7050 during lockdown.

Whole of China from the date that Wuhan went on lockdown which was the 23 January, Lockdown deaths where 23 at that stage 8th February same period of Lockdown has Italy 811 deaths from whole of China. Lose of life under lockdown 788.
Big difference between the 2. Either the Chinese got in early and controlled the spread or something else not adding up.

But the Italian lockdown seems to be having very little effect at the moment. Maybe early days but scary what is happening in Italy and unfortunately Spain.
I think the spread would have happened before the lockdown but asymptomatic people spread it to more people during the lockdown. In the initial stages of the lockdown people probably weren't taking it as seriously (and therefore not distancing themselves) but have become more serious as time has progressed.

Italy appears to have reached the peak as there has been a slight decline in new cases for 4 consecutive days.