SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Well how is it done? I wondered about 100 pages back if SCUBA shops can do it with their compressors. But I'm expecting that the oxygen contents are different.
Your average SCUBA tank just contain compressed air. They don’t add any oxygen.

There are a few different grades of oxygen available: industrial oxygen (for welders etc) diving oxygen (for the divers at the bottom of oil rigs etc) and medical oxygen. The difference being down mainly to gas impurities, which filters can (apparently) sort out. From what I heard, we’re running low on every grade.
 

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I was driving back from work earlier and there were 5 young mothers standing on a street corner surrounded by about 12 kids of different ages. I think it was outside one of their houses as the kids were running in and out of the front garden of the nearby house. We need this legislation to go through so they can be fined.
 

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Not sure if there's a better thread to ask employment related question.

My employer are a private healthcare provider (care homes and behavioural schools). As our kids are considered vulnerable we have remained open. The company have just sent out a briefing outlining guidelines for different situations. The crux of these were, if you come into contact with a child in work with a confirmed case you are to carry on as normal and not self isolate. If in extreme circumstances where you may live with a high risk person they may pay for alternative accommodation for you for a week. At each point they made they made it abundantly clear that they would not be paying anyone, anything if they self isolate. That includes SSP.

Surely this would be a case for whistleblowing? The directors are endangering the lives of the staff and children as far as I'm concerned and forcing people to ignore the government's advice.
Yes, this would be a case for whistleblowing. In the US I could tell the available avenues. I’m not familiar with the UK’s protocols
 

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Intensive Care nurse in her 20s from Kings College hospital where 8 people have died from coronavirus has killed herself.

Can only despair at what she’s been through in recent days/weeks.

RIP
There is going to be quite a few of these. The mental toll of all that despair and death on those who signed up to be 'normal' doctors and nurses, as opposed to those like army medics etc. who see severe trauma in battle, is going to be extreme in some cases.

Worse still is that the mental relief isn't going to come until the crisis is over.

It's a desperate, horrible situation.
 

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I think we can safely say if they really do have a vaccine the rest of the world will tell them to do one.
Not quite a vaccine (yet?), more of a treatment. Supposedly it helped a 79 year old in Genoa with underlying health conditions to recover from the virus. Hopefully they are just trying to protect their limited supply from the overwhelming demand so they could do more testing, rather than doing this for profit.
 

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In ireland a group of teenagers surrounded a female jogger and kept coughing at her. She happens to be a nurse. Why are teens such little scumbags?
I don’t want to go too far off topic, but this stems from going away from the era where kids (boys) fought and would verbroeit asses beat which tough them humility and respect and there were old kids who wouldn’t hesitate to smack a kid if they were disrespectful.

These days some clown either pulls out a weapon or sues.
 

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Alcoholics will suffer serious consequences requiring significant medical intervention if they suddenly stop consuming alcohol. Keeping access to this stuff available is actually very considerate.
Literally my situation. I wouldn't be safe if I bought enough alcohol to last me for a week and I wouldn't be safe if I had no alcohol for two days.
 

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I haven't yet mate no. Rang 111 and have been told I could be waiting up to an hour when I don't think its likely I will be getting one. Im surprised myself GP's aren't doing me one, especially seeing as me and the other person I live with are both vulnerable.

hopefully we get one over the next couple of days
My GP said he didn't know if I'd be identified, but he'd be surprised if I wasn't. Yet I know a few who have had texts and letters already. GPs seem oblivious to all thats going on, and there seems to be an infinite loop being created between GPs and 111, with both just batting back to each other.

I'd hope the vulnerable shielding letter will hold more information if each of us get one (I would have assumed asthma would be part of the criteria, given the nature of the virus!) though the PM did say after this coming Sunday would be the start of self-identification for those that slipped through the net of the governments process. I guess that might be the next port of call if you don't hear anything this week.
 

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Anyone saw Bolsonaro's thoughts on this ? Dude is pleading for schools to be open and bussiness to get back to normal. Half of the people in Brazil are very angry, the other half follows him blindly.
 

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Italy's new active cases down for the 4th day in a row (new cases - dead and recovered).

Total positives 5210, this figure has been hovering around 5500-6000 for about a week so probably enough to say the peak has been reached, but not that we are in decline.
 

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Anyone saw Bolsonaro's thoughts on this ? Dude is pleading for schools to be open and bussiness to get back to normal. Half of the people in Brazil are very angry, the other half follows him blindly.
So like Trump then.
 

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That would be absolutely despicable if true. Mind you, if it was actually the antiviral we’re all hoping for, we’d have probably known by now.
So what's their angle? That Indian company is basically producing the same medicine right? Our will it be inferior? If not it renders the US version pointless due to price.

I guess either US puts pressure on Modi to discontinue it. Or the Indian version is not allowed into the States for exclusivity reasons and you just milk the American crowd. Problem for us Brits, and the NHS, is how low BoJo goes to BJ Trump? :(
 

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So what's their angle? That Indian company is basically producing the same medicine right? Our will it be inferior? If not it renders the US version pointless due to price.

I guess either US puts pressure on Modi to discontinue it. Or the Indian version is not allowed into the States for exclusivity reasons and you just milk the American crowd. Problem for us Brits, and the NHS, is how low BoJo goes to BJ Trump? :(
It’ll give Gilead exclusivity in the lucrative US market.
 

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My GP said he didn't know if I'd be identified, but he'd be surprised if I wasn't. Yet I know a few who have had texts and letters already. GPs seem oblivious to all thats going on, and there seems to be an infinite loop being created between GPs and 111, with both just batting back to each other.

I'd hope the vulnerable shielding letter will hold more information if each of us get one (I would have assumed asthma would be part of the criteria, given the nature of the virus!) though the PM did say after this coming Sunday would be the start of self-identification for those that slipped through the net of the governments process. I guess that might be the next port of call if you don't hear anything this week.
I guess you've checked the overview list on:
https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/
It seems fairly specific on the drugs/dosages that mean someone's automatically in that high risk group.
 

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It’ll give Gilead exclusivity in the lucrative US market.
For Gilead (and by that I mean Trump) to have taken this step so quickly surely means the US are preparing to roll out this medication pretty soon (weeks). Fauci will be put in a cage to only sign papers. Insurance premiums are going through the roof, and that's just for the lucky ones that have the right coverage in the first place.

The trump family are going to be so rich. So, so rich.
 

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What time during the day is the number of deaths announced? I can't find anything for today.
 

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Not been on for an update for a while. Have worked 90hours over the last 9 days so feeling pretty tired now but tonight is my last night and then 3 days off!

Hospital is steadily becoming more organised, many specialist wards have closed and re-opened as Covid wards now. It's incredible to see that in the current climate, how dead ED is and just goes to show how badly abused the service was. Proper guidelines regarding PPE have been updated since I last posted however, they are just saying to use surgical face masks which, I personally don't agree with. Donning and doffing the PPE is a ball ache and my hands are red raw from all the hand washing we do.

The cases are steadily ramping up now, spoke to one fot he doctors this morning who said just over half of her handover this morning was suspected covid (A very tiny % will actually be covid if any). Staff shortages is still a massive issue. On the bank service, there were 68 HCA gaps and 76 Nurse gaps to be filled for today. Unheard of but people are obvisouly self isolating or just don't want to put themselves or their family at risk.

I'm looking forward to it being my last night shift for a week and probably a free dominos delivery for us. Otherwise it's going to be depressing and hectic. Stay safe peeps.
 
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That is quite typical. Yes he comes across as stubborn. But he has probably lived his life as a father and husband who felt it his duty to be strong and not rely on anyone.

These are ingrained habits and he is trying to maintain his social standing in the family as the strong one.
I've never really understood that. I've 2 girls who I love like you can't believe. I've been there for and supported them in all their
development, good times and bad (just like most kids) . But we've been there for each other during some horrific times the last few month. Real families share the load and support each other. I know I would have struggled without their love and support these last 6 months and vice versa and this stubborn thing (pride, selfish take your pick) men think they have to portray annoys me greatly.
My own Dad an ex para even see's the value of self isolation and even though he's bored shitless he knows the benefit.
 

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For Gilead (and by that I mean Trump) to have taken this step so quickly surely means the US are preparing to roll out this medication pretty soon (weeks). Fauci will be put in a cage to only sign papers. Insurance premiums are going through the roof, and that's just for the lucky ones that have the right coverage in the first place.

The trump family are going to be so rich. So, so rich.
RICHESTEST PRESIDENT EVER! OBAMA POOR SO POOR. Or something like that.
 

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How is it possible that we're so behind in providing our front line NHS staff with the protective equipment they need.

Did we simply leave it too late to bother trying to source or organise production?
 

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No it doesn't. It's one thing to be stupid and put yourself at risk, quite another to basically assault another person for laughs.

Although the supermarket stuff is super cnutish, you can wash the products when you get home.
Some vids show youths taking the lids off tubs of ice cream and giving it a lick, good luck washing that off.
 

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How is it possible that we're so behind in providing our front line NHS staff with the protective equipment they need.

Did we simply leave it too late to bother trying to source or organise production?
It's practically impossible to prepare for, people don't seem to realise what a one off event this really is.

Italy is currently using 3 million masks per day, and at between $25-50k each health services could hardly go buying the thousands of ventilators they now need before the event actually happens.
 

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How is it possible that we're so behind in providing our front line NHS staff with the protective equipment they need.

Did we simply leave it too late to bother trying to source or organise production?
What health system, which is dealing with a major outbreak, has all the equipment they need?
 

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I dont have asthma, the lad I was replying to does, so I don't know anything severity or medicine for it. I'm on immunosuppressants for something else, which there's only very vague guidance on at the minute.
Ah sorry, I saw the dialogue and got the replies the wrong way round. The only stuff I've looked at on immuno-suppressants was written in the context of arthritis treatment, because I've got a family member in that category: https://www.rheumatology.org.uk/news-policy/details/Covid19-Coronavirus-update-members
They've got a risk stratification guide (that identifies some medicines etc) and a scoring grid - but it's targeted for use by rheumatologists, though I guess some patients will be able to identify themselves from it.