Give ya ma a fiver and it's all good.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Employers (many of whom are making a contribution in any event) who can't afford to then make people redundant. The whole point of the Scheme (as the name suggests) is "job retention", i.e. retaining a contractual link between employee and employer to avoid massive unemployment.
Not an issue for me, your mum still comes to my house all the time.sorry not sorry
Really, where did you see that?
Not arguing it, just curious. is it due to state propaganda to downplay it or something?
Been busy and only skimmed the FT and Sun's reports. Seemed lacking in detail though, eg how the government/employer split changes from after July?
Broadly I think the article sounds reasonable, I just think more attention is needed explaining certain things. It is a simplistic article but this is absolutely fine and I believe this should always be the approach for teaching people, regardless of their background. Sometimes you can "dumb" down information to an extent that it actually becomes incorrect so you need to be careful.
At the very least I'd say the author should clarify the droplet sizes. Saying droplets are large and small means different things for different people. A person studying nanodroplets will consider 1nm sized droplets small and 1um droplets large. But a person studying spray systems may thing 1um is small and 100um is large.
Generally it is fine to talk about general physical concepts without reference but, for example, when you start talking about droplets going 200mph you probably should add references to that.
The author needs to make it clearer in some parts that the droplets won't all be travelling at the same velocity. They have done in some parts, but not in others. Even if the droplets are all the same size (this seems unlikely to me), same sized droplets may move at different speeds. If the droplets have different sizes they can move with different velocities. This is discussed [here] although the focus of the paper is collisions and not dispersion.
One comment didn't make much sense to me:
I don't believe the example about the restaurant is explained very well. For example, downwind and upwind mean specific things. Actually I think people use "upstream" and "downstream" more frequently. If you have airflow over an object, upstream means any flow ahead (or prior) to that object. Downstream means any flow behind that object e.g. its wake. At least that is my understanding of the terms. Maybe that is not correct but it has not failed me in the past. So I am not sure what the author means by upwind here. If you also look at that room, it is 6m across so I would guess that close physical contact would also be an issue here.
A passing comment - I don't like the author saying droplets can spread across entire rooms or "within seconds" etc. It can happen sure, but there will be instances where it may not happen and really you need to assess each area individually rather than make sweeping comments like this. This may be a situation where simulations can help - modelling rooms like boxes and tracking how far one droplet travels with various configurations. But high quality simulations like this may not be computationally feasible.
Generally it is fine to talk about general physical concepts without reference but, for example, when you start talking about droplets going 200mph you probably should add references to that.
The author needs to make it clearer in some parts that the droplets won't all be travelling at the same velocity. They have done in some parts, but not in others. Even if the droplets are all the same size (this seems unlikely to me), same sized droplets may move at different speeds. If the droplets have different sizes they can move with different velocities. This is discussed [here] although the focus of the paper is collisions and not dispersion.
One comment didn't make much sense to me:
You can't really state any claim like this without knowing a lot more information like the size of the droplets. Even so, "Droplets with a lower velocity" may settle more slowly, not more quickly. This is because a) they may have a smaller velocity component in the direction of gravity and b) I believe they will lose more quickly any of that initial momentum they had from an individual breathing. I would also never qualitatively characterise droplet dispersion by just the droplet velocity. If you want to characterise (qualitatively) the dispersion, you use non-dimensional numbers. Stokes number and terminal velocity ratio (settling parameter) are two that I have come across. Some authors use non-dimensional numbers which don't have a specific name.
I don't believe the example about the restaurant is explained very well. For example, downwind and upwind mean specific things. Actually I think people use "upstream" and "downstream" more frequently. If you have airflow over an object, upstream means any flow ahead (or prior) to that object. Downstream means any flow behind that object e.g. its wake. At least that is my understanding of the terms. Maybe that is not correct but it has not failed me in the past. So I am not sure what the author means by upwind here. If you also look at that room, it is 6m across so I would guess that close physical contact would also be an issue here.
A passing comment - I don't like the author saying droplets can spread across entire rooms or "within seconds" etc. It can happen sure, but there will be instances where it may not happen and really you need to assess each area individually rather than make sweeping comments like this. This may be a situation where simulations can help - modelling rooms like boxes and tracking how far one droplet travels with various configurations. But high quality simulations like this may not be computationally feasible.
My opinion is that each area is different and needs its own risk assessment. But generally companies should favour ventilation, social distancing as much as possible and minimal face-to-face or group meetings. But I think this is obvious information.
People have different backgrounds in different topics. There are plenty of people who specialise in multiphase flows. I can't give an informed answer on what you've asked because I don't have a background in evaporation effects. I also haven't studied many different air flows. Since there will be a variety of different indoor areas, there will be many different air flows and so how droplets disperse in those rooms may differ. I've looked at one very specific niche flow case which isn't relevant here and one laboratory flow which you would not encounter very often. I've explained my understanding of some of the physical concepts [here] but it won't give the answer you want.
He said full guidance on the additional flexibility etc will be made available towards the end of the month.
The ability to phase people back being the major part of that, and he was asked if it could be brought in sooner to help those employers who have some work but not enough to bring people back full time. His response was that he didn’t think it would be possible to make the required alterations to the scheme earlier and didn’t want to commit but if they could manage it they would.
Friends and family live in Russia. All of them are doubting from whether this thing exists at all to how serious the illness is. Bizarre really.
Sunak, regardless of your political views, cannot be accused of not treating his responsibility as chancellor with the respect it demands. I think even people who already dislike Johnson would be surprised if they knew how much contempt he displays for his duties as a politician, be it as a mayor, cabinet minister or PM.
He comes across as a snide cnut to me. A prick who'll feck you every which way given the chance.
Racist just joking
Every country should seek to eradicate before they seek herd immunity. It’s not always possible but it’s always desirable
That just means less people are dead, and die.
I can write like a blunt knife at times. But it’s not rudeness.
With so many countries fcuking this up, groupthink sees us move towards the common, rather than the successful.
Think how nice it would be to live in the UK and hear;
- Only 21 have died
- This virus is only deadly To [THIS] demographic.
- We ask that citizens outside of this group are protected, and protect themselves.
- Everyone else: Here’s a track and track app. This is what we do if you get sick, this is how we test. Work with us.
The majority populace is being told : You are safe enough. We can treat you if you get sick. Try not to. Don’t infect the vulnerable. But we’re in this together.
NZ will drip feed group transmission and immunity. Because they’ve nailed the initial stage and the people trust their government.
Honestly man, I worried for NZ. I’ve said this throughout. It’s a tiny outpost of the world with few people to rely on. But they’re pretty much the global leader in Covid management so far.
To close this Opus... I must have 100-200 people on ignore on this site. You’re a good egg. Don’t let my confronting put me in your asshole column. I’m a good egg.
Ah, fair enough, thanks. I guess it is complicated and far from a one size fits all thing. I'd certainly cut him more slack than say Hancock. Sunak must be about the only minister with his reputation intact or even enhanced.
Not surprising. It was the case in many of the worst hit countries when they were in a similar position. Infections rising exponentially but deaths still low. Most people don't really start to give a shit until the numbers make them.
I think our children’s children will be more likely to complain about the climate that’s increasingly trying to kill them and the repercussions of that, rather than lamenting a decision to prolong a furlough scheme at an 80% rate for a few months in 2020 during a pandemic.
Possibly. An unlawful act resulting in death. You'd have to prove it was that very act that caused the death mind and there was no break in the chain of causation.
Employ your parent to be your cleaner.
I tell you; I understand why garden centres were reopened. Our back garden was a total mess and the last week out of work hours we've all been chipping in and now it's only a slight mess with lots of pretty bulbs planted and the weeds have been told to get fecked. The impact it's made to our attitudes has been quite something to witness. Feeling down and out? Pop in to the back garden and take a break.
Next on my selfish things I want reopened; McDonald's drive throughs and the return of the breakfast wrap.
Next on my selfish things I want reopened; McDonald's drive throughs and the return of the breakfast wrap.
The support for care homes is just shambolic. I know someone who runs a care home. The other day they made arrangements for testing all their residents as thankfuly they have not lost anyone yet.
They got all their residents up extra early (6.30am) which is quite a laborious task given their complex needs, so that all the tests could be completed and done within one morning. The tests were never picked up and after 2 days had to be thrown out as they were no good anymore. The home has had staff "living in" for several weeks to keep the residents safe and we can't sort out testing for them.
Anyone who has lost a relative where they have not been given adequate protective equipment or testing should sue for damages. Appaling behaviour!
They got all their residents up extra early (6.30am) which is quite a laborious task given their complex needs, so that all the tests could be completed and done within one morning. The tests were never picked up and after 2 days had to be thrown out as they were no good anymore. The home has had staff "living in" for several weeks to keep the residents safe and we can't sort out testing for them.
Anyone who has lost a relative where they have not been given adequate protective equipment or testing should sue for damages. Appaling behaviour!
Wow, that's shocking. Government really needs to be held accountable for this mess.
That would explain her bad back!
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Drop in cases but we'll see over the next few days.
Tomorrow is the official end of the state of emergency in my country. Hopefully more areas can go back to some sort of normality, as it has already been happening in some parts of the everyday life.
Not that difficult to spend billions of someone else's money during an emergency.
We will see how clever he is when he has to be far more prudent with the budget.
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Garden centres is a decent idea. For those lucky enough to have gardens they are definitely a cabin fever vaccine. I've never been much of a gardener, it's an itchy, scratchy hayfever inducing and wasp infested affair but I'm really loving it now.
Heathen! The only breakfast from McD's is the double sausage and egg mcmuffin! They released how to replicate them online a few weeks ago, I did it a couple of weekends ago and fecking nailed it!
Garden centres is a decent idea. For those lucky enough to have gardens they are definitely a cabin fever vaccine. I've never been much of a gardener, it's an itchy, scratchy hayfever inducing and wasp infested affair but I'm really loving it now.
Knew this thread would turn out to be useful eventually.
Looks like my driving range has opened back up, opening every other bay and disinfecting balls and baskets after each use.
It's tempting but to get to get to and from bays it's not easy to avoid others and nearly everyone there is at risk.
It's tempting but to get to get to and from bays it's not easy to avoid others and nearly everyone there is at risk.
This is truth.
It will pick up in a couple of weeks after the VE / conga celebrations
Events with up to 1000 people are allowed again in my state from Friday. As well as cinemas, theatres, outdoor pools and even outdoor concerts.
Cheers, that's one way of seeing it. I can see where you're coming from here.
Any ideas why the death rate is still barely falling here in UK?
The data now includes care home deaths.
I see - was under the impression that tests have been developed that can tell you results within a few hours (maybe China or South Korea had developed one, I could be wrong). If you need to quarantine guests for 14 days, you can kiss business travel and tourism goodbye
So unless more accurate and faster tests can be developed than I can see non-essential travel doomed for the foreseeable future. A bunch of airlines might go under (thanks Donald for the useless bailouts).
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Alok Sharma is an irritant isn't he
Police Called After Mannequins Mistaken For Social Gathering
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Fecking dummies
WHO says positive data from some treatment of covid19 though still they have not discovered anything to kill the virus.