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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Fair play to him, I think that's the right decision. Can't imagine it's gone down well with a lot of his party members though...
No ‘lavish holidays’ oh no my trip to the Seychelles followed by the Maldives is off now.
Our children’s children will thank us for this when they’re still trying to pay it off. 80% is simply unsustainable.
What would you propose?
Employers will have to make a contribution to their furloughed employees' salaries, from the start of August. The government will no longer be footing the bill (or at least, not all of it).
Furloughed employees will also be able to be brought back, part-time.
So what do you propose?
You'd have to actually prove they had it and knew it. People say things all the time but that's not enough alone.
Definitely not enough for murder. You need to prove an intent to kill or intent to cause very serious harm. In law you take the victim as you find them, so proving he knew she would be in an at risk group wouldn't be required but you'd still have to prove his intentions.
Is this mad max?
Rishi Sunak....quietly looking efficient, knowledgeable and not like a trumped up Churchill Act. Devastating for Boris!
Nope it's just my personal family holiday photos from butlins.
Yep it's Mad Max 2.
So if no vaccine comes along and the virus continues to infect so many people, how long before governments decide to stop sending people with the virus to hospital? There is no solution to this that doesn’t have drastic consequences, but if we want the economy to get going at any level, it might be a case of telling people that they have to be cared for in their own home. Seems like the only way to not completely overwhelm the healthcare system to the point that it actually breaks. Not an advocate of this, but imagine it’s one of the things that’ll be considered.
this is already what happens for the vast majority of people who get the virus, they stay at home, if you're staying at home when you need to go to hospital you'll die
Pains me to say it but Sunak is coming across very well during the questions he’s facing at the moment.
The difference between him and Boris is night and day.
The difference between him and Boris is night and day.
It won’t ever be considered. People who catch covid have just as much a right to healthcare resources as anyone else. What you’re suggesting is the equivalent to deciding we won’t spend any more money treating people with smoking-related diseases, or obesity. Which would free up a shit load of resources/funds to treat everyone else. And at least those people are getting sick for self-inflicted reasons.
This is sadly whats happening to everyone in a care home, right now.
I hate the tories more than most people but jesus even I'm surprised at how they are treating their own voter base - just letting them die.
Dog whistle-ist.
He is certainly showing up the rest of his party.
Not enough for murder for sure, but enough for manslaughter, no?
Manslaughter doesn't require premeditation or intent.
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Although good - I think we will start seeing redundancies from EoJune, as on the extension, employers are going to be asked to contribute, and a good junk will not be able to pay as they have zero cash coming in, and they may not be prepared to take out further loans to facilitate that and increase their own risk - thats my assumption anyway?
I've accepted it, safe or not, majority will be back at work in either 2 or 4 weeks.
They got what they needed in December. Many who have died, would have expired by 2025 anyway.
It's going to be interesting watching the tories spin this over the next 4.5 years. Grenfell(amongst many other things) sould have sunk them long ago, so I can't say I'm too optomistic.
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This basically makes you a Jesus of the topic compared to the rest.
Please deliver a short layman sermon on how much distance is appropriate and how well masks work. I will follow you in anything from here on out.
They have a massive outbreak there now. They're currently third on the list of new cases behind Spain and the USA.
I'm not sure where this comes from. A significant portion of the patients I'm treating in A&E and on covid wards are from care homes. Median age for all those in hospital with COVID after all is 72.
I do agree that inadequate staff provision in care homes with PPE is an absolute scandal due to superspreader risk from staff which I reckon is the main reason it has spread but I'd think there will be an inquiry due to class action like lawsuits from families of lost loved ones in care homes in the not-so-distant future.
What COVID also has a propensity for doing is out of hospital arrests, pro-thrombotic events like a pulmonary embolus which can result in sudden death with deaths pre-admission. Silent hypoxia could be another issue. A lot of patients also already on palliative pathways in community would have superadded infection along with an existing medical condition that could be terminal (e.g. cancer) that would mean conservative management with antibiotics and palliative referral after triaging, discussing with family, looking at their advanced care plans. Frailty scores are looked into when deciding appropriate avenues and ceiling for therapeutic intervention but frailty is not always just meaning advanced age
I hate the tories just as much as anybody but the notion that we just let the elderly in care homes die is not true.
Amazed they've opened up clubbing so quickly. Won't be happening in U.K for many more months if this year.
They're 2nd in cases with over 230k, but only 2100 deaths reported. That seems incredibly low.
Just had a quick google and while there doesn't seem to be much research, this does seems to be true. The average age in care homes is 85(For some reason I thought it was a lot lower)
Oh yeah I gave up thinking this country care about others after the non reaction to Grenfell. I'm guessing the tories will spin care homes deaths as the older generation making a heroic sacrifice for the rest of the country, resulting in some different coloured poppy later next year.
cheers.
They do seem to have carried out a large number of tests (over 5 million).
I thought they were still behind Spain who have almost 270k?
Yeah sorry, the site i was looking at is running behind. Spain does seem to be slowing down while Russia is still growing, so I would expect them to be 2nd soon.
No problem. On the larger point of governmental culpability for care home deaths I think what the Tories did, or rather didn't do probably amounts to corporate manslaughter or something equivalent but they'll weasel their way out of it
I mean you had a vulnerable demographic of patients congregated in areas where if a deadly infectious agent could have taken hold it would have resulted in mass deaths. That wasn't difficult to foresee. They absolutely should have acted sooner to ensurer mass testing was rolled out to carers as a priority given what we knew about asymptomatic course of this disease, adequate PPEs distributed, care managers spoken to with detailed action plans formulated for care plans to prevent what we're seeing today both at a local and national level.
Yeah this is the only thing I'm certain will happen in the future. Feels like the whole country has gone numb and just accepted the constant daily deaths as something that just happens now regardless of the government plan. It's all very fecking depressing.
Also thanks for all the work you and you're work mates are doing at the moment. Amazing stuff tbh.
Why does it pain you to say it?
Second now, according to bbc. Because most of the country doesn't believe the thing is real. Also government are under reporting deaths which makes people think it's a fairly mild illness - which it isn't.
Because as a general rule I don’t like Tory politicians.
Great post. Good to know there are people like this.
I know this lockdown has to be so much harder for most people than it is for me. I'm fortunate in the sense that I can work remotely, have a good house, a small garden, live on a quiet quiet street, and have just had a son, so my life would be very similar to now, lockdown or no lockdown. In fact, if anything, I'm winning because I'm home getting to spend far more time helping to raise him and don't have to commute. My working week has actually improved in that regard. Most years we'd holiday multiple times per year, but because of the baby we didn't have anything booked even, which is most unusual for us. I've already been giving thought on what I might need to do if the world is still upside down come March 2021 when my fixed term contract expires, so can empathise with the insecurity of others.
It's easy for me to want the lockdown to continue for the betterment of everyone, but hope there are more like you who have far more reasons to want it to end, who still support it continuing for the benefit of public health.
Does it not piss anyone of that a cleaner or nanny can come into your house but your parent cant?
Sort of sums of the difference between a memeber of parliament and your run of the mill househould.
Edit just to clarify, dont think either should be allowed at the minute
Sort of sums of the difference between a memeber of parliament and your run of the mill househould.
Edit just to clarify, dont think either should be allowed at the minute