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Our children’s children will thank us for this when they’re still trying to pay it off. 80% is simply unsustainable.Tweet
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What would you propose?Our children’s children will thank us for this when they’re still trying to pay it off. 80% is simply unsustainable.
Employers will have to make a contribution to their furloughed employees' salaries, from the start of August. The government will no longer be footing the bill (or at least, not all of it).Our children’s children will thank us for this when they’re still trying to pay it off. 80% is simply unsustainable.
So what do you propose?Our children’s children will thank us for this when they’re still trying to pay it off. 80% is simply unsustainable.
What would you propose?
You'd have to actually prove they had it and knew it. People say things all the time but that's not enough alone.In the report, a) is proven, in that the person who spat at the worker said that he had coronavirus, b) you could definitely prove he was reckless in his conduct with a) in mind which could substitute malice aforethought - possibly not enough for murder, but definitely enough for manslaughter.
Is this mad max?
Rishi Sunak....quietly looking efficient, knowledgeable and not like a trumped up Churchill Act. Devastating for Boris!Tweet
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Nope it's just my personal family holiday photos from butlins.Is this mad max?
Nope it's just my personal family holiday photos.
Yep it's Mad Max 2.
this is already what happens for the vast majority of people who get the virus, they stay at home, if you're staying at home when you need to go to hospital you'll dieSo if no vaccine comes along and the virus continues to infect so many people, how long before governments decide to stop sending people with the virus to hospital? There is no solution to this that doesn’t have drastic consequences, but if we want the economy to get going at any level, it might be a case of telling people that they have to be cared for in their own home. Seems like the only way to not completely overwhelm the healthcare system to the point that it actually breaks. Not an advocate of this, but imagine it’s one of the things that’ll be considered.
It won’t ever be considered. People who catch covid have just as much a right to healthcare resources as anyone else. What you’re suggesting is the equivalent to deciding we won’t spend any more money treating people with smoking-related diseases, or obesity. Which would free up a shit load of resources/funds to treat everyone else. And at least those people are getting sick for self-inflicted reasons.So if no vaccine comes along and the virus continues to infect so many people, how long before governments decide to stop sending people with the virus to hospital? There is no solution to this that doesn’t have drastic consequences, but if we want the economy to get going at any level, it might be a case of telling people that they have to be cared for in their own home. Seems like the only way to not completely overwhelm the healthcare system to the point that it actually breaks. Not an advocate of this, but imagine it’s one of the things that’ll be considered.
This is sadly whats happening to everyone in a care home, right now.So if no vaccine comes along and the virus continues to infect so many people, how long before governments decide to stop sending people with the virus to hospital? There is no solution to this that doesn’t have drastic consequences, but if we want the economy to get going at any level, it might be a case of telling people that they have to be cared for in their own home. Seems like the only way to not completely overwhelm the healthcare system to the point that it actually breaks. Not an advocate of this, but imagine it’s one of the things that’ll be considered.
Dog whistle-ist.Pains me to say it but Sunak is coming across very well during the questions he’s facing at the moment.
The difference between him and Boris is night and day.
He is certainly showing up the rest of his party.Pains me to say it but Sunak is coming across very well during the questions he’s facing at the moment.
The difference between him and Boris is night and day.
Not enough for murder for sure, but enough for manslaughter, no?You'd have to actually prove they had it and knew it. People say things all the time but that's not enough alone.
Definitely not enough for murder. You need to prove an intent to kill or intent to cause very serious harm. In law you take the victim as you find them, so proving he knew she would be in an at risk group wouldn't be required but you'd still have to prove his intentions.
Although good - I think we will start seeing redundancies from EoJune, as on the extension, employers are going to be asked to contribute, and a good junk will not be able to pay as they have zero cash coming in, and they may not be prepared to take out further loans to facilitate that and increase their own risk - thats my assumption anyway?Tweet
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They got what they needed in December. Many who have died, would have expired by 2025 anyway.This is sadly whats happening to everyone in a care home, right now.
I hate the tories more than most people but jesus even I'm surprised at how they are treating their own voter base - just letting them die.
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This basically makes you a Jesus of the topic compared to the rest.I have a PhD in experimental multiphase flows, specifically droplet and particle dispersion in turbulent flows and the study of droplet-droplet/particle collisions. That doesn't really imply I understand anything (I really don't understand much at all). However, I do have some awareness of the important topics by exposure of reading hundreds of literature papers (at least 50 in full), vast amounts of sections/chapters in textbooks and carrying out experiments using well established laser diagnostic techniques in the field, which also required using a half face reusable face mask. The latter is why I felt I could give my opinion about them earlier in the thread - I spent a good amount of time using one. I also used reusable FFP2 masks.
I'm not sure where this comes from. A significant portion of the patients I'm treating in A&E and on covid wards are from care homes. Median age for all those in hospital with COVID after all is 72.This is sadly whats happening to everyone in a care home, right now.
I hate the tories more than most people but jesus even I'm surprised at how they are treating their own voter base - just letting them die.
Amazed they've opened up clubbing so quickly. Won't be happening in U.K for many more months if this year.South Korea says there are now 101 new cases of coronavirus linked to a nightclub district in Seoul
On the BBC. This is unsurprising, as nightclubs serve pretty much the opposite purpose to social distancing
They're 2nd in cases with over 230k, but only 2100 deaths reported. That seems incredibly low.They have a massive outbreak there now. They're currently third on the list of new cases behind Spain and the USA.
Just had a quick google and while there doesn't seem to be much research, this does seems to be true. The average age in care homes is 85(For some reason I thought it was a lot lower)They got what they needed in December. Many who have died, would have expired by 2025 anyway.
Oh yeah I gave up thinking this country care about others after the non reaction to Grenfell. I'm guessing the tories will spin care homes deaths as the older generation making a heroic sacrifice for the rest of the country, resulting in some different coloured poppy later next year.It's going to be interesting watching the tories spin this over the next 4.5 years. Grenfell(amongst many other things) sould have sunk them long ago, so I can't say I'm too optomistic.
cheers.I'm not sure where this comes from. A significant portion of the patients I'm treating in A&E and on covid wards are from care homes. Median age for all those in hospital with COVID after all is 72.
I do agree that inadequate staff provision in care homes with PPE is an absolute scandal due to superspreader risk from staff which I reckon is the main reason it has spread but I'd think there will be an inquiry due to class action like lawsuits from families of lost loved ones in care homes in the not-so-distant future.
What COVID also has a propensity for doing is out of hospital arrests, pro-thrombotic events like a pulmonary embolus which can result in sudden death with deaths pre-admission. Silent hypoxia could be another issue. A lot of patients also already on palliative pathways in community would have superadded infection along with an existing medical condition that could be terminal (e.g. cancer) that would mean conservative management with antibiotics and palliative referral after triaging, discussing with family, looking at their advanced care plans. Frailty scores are looked into when deciding appropriate avenues and ceiling for therapeutic intervention but frailty is not always just meaning advanced age
I hate the tories just as much as anybody but the notion that we just let the elderly in care homes die is not true.
They do seem to have carried out a large number of tests (over 5 million).They're 2nd in cases with over 230k, but only 2100 deaths reported. That seems incredibly low.
Yeah sorry, the site i was looking at is running behind. Spain does seem to be slowing down while Russia is still growing, so I would expect them to be 2nd soon.They do seem to have carried out a large number of tests (over 5 million).
I thought they were still behind Spain who have almost 270k?
No problem. On the larger point of governmental culpability for care home deaths I think what the Tories did, or rather didn't do probably amounts to corporate manslaughter or something equivalent but they'll weasel their way out of itcheers.
Yeah this is the only thing I'm certain will happen in the future. Feels like the whole country has gone numb and just accepted the constant daily deaths as something that just happens now regardless of the government plan. It's all very fecking depressing.No problem. On the larger point of governmental culpability for care home deaths I think what the Tories did, or rather didn't do probably amounts to corporate manslaughter or something equivalent but they'll weasel their way out of it
I mean you had a vulnerable demographic of patients congregated in areas where if a deadly infectious agent could have taken hold it would have resulted in mass deaths. That wasn't difficult to foresee. They absolutely should have acted sooner to ensurer mass testing was rolled out to carers as a priority given what we knew about asymptomatic course of this disease, adequate PPEs distributed, care managers spoken to with detailed action plans formulated for care plans to prevent what we're seeing today both at a local and national level.
Why does it pain you to say it?Pains me to say it but Sunak is coming across very well during the questions he’s facing at the moment.
The difference between him and Boris is night and day.
Second now, according to bbc. Because most of the country doesn't believe the thing is real. Also government are under reporting deaths which makes people think it's a fairly mild illness - which it isn't.They have a massive outbreak there now. They're currently third on the list of new cases behind Spain and the USA.
Because as a general rule I don’t like Tory politicians.Why does it pain you to say it?
Great post. Good to know there are people like this.I am a young person and yes, it fecking sucks but I value human lives far more than my own personal desires, nor needs. I miss my partner a lot and haven’t seen her since February but I realise that if everyone committed to a lockdown restrictions could be eased and I could see her. I have lost job opportunities and interviews but I realise if everyone committed they would arise again. I should be entering a great part of my life career wise (my late 20s) and have just spent a lot of money completing a Masters but now this situation has probably changed my career outlook monumentally but I realise that human life is worth more than that. I haven’t seen most of my friends since January but I realise human life is worth more. I’m probably not going to get to see as much of the world as I would before, I probably won’t be able to do many of the things I dreamt of before and I’ll probably have to be paying a lot back in the future so I won’t have as much for myself and my partner or children if I chose to have them (yes, there will be many who won’t want children or can’t justify it anymore because of the situation potentially in the future). All of that fecking sucks.
But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.
EDIT: I would also like to add I have suffered with mental health issues since the age of 16, anxiety and depression that have each led me to try to take my own life in the past. I've hit rough patches and still do. I have during this lockdown also but people with mental health problems can still have perspective. It's very individual. For those that are struggling there should be a system in place to help them through the lockdown. not the excuse of "Yeah but people have mental illnesses so we should come out of lockdown for their sake". Same with people who live in poverty or crammed households. We should be making better decisions at a local level to ensure they get the space and help they need.