thepolice123
Full Member
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2008
- Messages
- 12,215
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Not sure if this has been posted. It got KD too.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
You can be an asymptomatic carrier. [shocker]You don't know me, but I'm very definitely not an idiot.
I'm looking forward with great anticipation to your ground breaking explanation of how an uninfected person can spread a virus (or maybe you're simply an idiot).
Hopefully he didn't go for a quick pintTweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Not sure if this has been posted. It got KD too.
Very interesting.
The market itself isn't the problem though is it? It's the wildlife trade and hygiene standardsThe unsanitory conditions and the diversity of animals slaughtered there are the perfect storm for breeding viruses. This video is an eye opener, but it explains it well.
Viewer discretion if you can't stand seeing animal cruelty, it's a hard watch and left me pretty angry, but the science is interesting:
I can't see either the governments/business allowing it or the public giving a shit for long enough for the ideal scenario in terms of deaths to work there. It'll surely end up somewhere down the middle?
Presumably just private healthcare. Athletes will obviously have this stuff on tap.It seems that celebrities are getting tests when no one else can.
rich celebrities are providing us a decent sample size of asymptomatic cases, it seemsIt seems that celebrities are getting tests when no one else can.
Apparenlty Trump nearly announced to hiw 74m followers that Tom Hanks had died because he didn't know what "discharged" meant.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/co...anks-had-died-from-coronavirus-ng-b881492494z
It's none of those, really.The market itself isn't the problem though is it? It's the wildlife trade and hygiene standards
Banning wildlife trade and bringing in strict hygiene regulations makes a lot of sense though
Not really a lockdown. "Businesses are allowed to open, but must practice social distancing (six-foot separation)". Restaurants and bars are closed. Pretty much as here in Illinois, basically all leisure activity is halted (dining in, events, gyms and any other types gatherings), schools are closed, some people work from home.Orange County, California is being locked down starting I believe tomorrow. Everyone working from home. No dining in restaurants. No public gatherings. Etc, etc.
Confused because Trump said before that there’d be zero cases in no time.
Agree, the paper, in general, is poorly written, the sample is quite small (and done in three days). More like wishful thinking from my part *.Check out Fig 1. I can't say that inspires confidence. Especially for the UK.
The whole "pub" thing has become a trigger after Starkie's bizarre "I'm alright Jack and you're all idiots" ranting from the other day. If you had said "orgy" instead of "pub" then you would have been fine, which is actually what you were at so please stop lying to us.
I'm at one right now. I stand at the foot of the bed and clap.
Good post.It's none of those, really.
Battery farms in the west are just as bad, if not worse, in those regards.
The issue is the sheer variety of species next to each other, each with its own unique diseases that are constantly mutating and looking for a new host.
A bat virus mutating into a human virus is one in a billion. But when you have hundreds of species next to each, the odds of a virus making the species jump become much higher because the bat virus could mutate into a human virus or a pangolin virus or a snake virus or a bear virus, etc. Once that first jump is made, all bets are off because of how fast novel viruses mutate to survive.
Wet markets can be continued as long as they become single species. Although a better solution would simply be to adopt battery farming of a small selection of species like we do in the west. It's obviously no less cruel or disgusting, but at least it meets food demand without threatening mankind with extinction to the same extent.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Correct. My wording was wrong. “Severe restrictions” on non household gathering are in place. Bosses told us all to work from home. We’ll still be able to get out and exercise (walk the dogs,etc).Not really a lockdown. "Businesses are allowed to open, but must practice social distancing (six-foot separation)". Restaurants and bars are closed. Pretty much as here in Illinois, basically all leisure activity is halted (dining in, events, gyms and any other types gatherings), schools are closed, some people work from home.
Not to be confused with a real lockdown like in China or Italy where pretty much everyone must stay home.
clearly the wildlife trade is a factor as it's one of the reasons there are so many species thereIt's none of those, really.
Battery farms in the west are just as bad, if not worse, in those regards.
The issue is the sheer variety of species next to each other, each with its own unique diseases that are constantly mutating and looking for a new host.
A bat virus mutating into a human virus is one in a billion. But when you have hundreds of species next to each, the odds of a virus making the species jump become much higher because the bat virus could mutate into a human virus or a pangolin virus or a snake virus or a bear virus, etc. Once that first jump is made, all bets are off because of how fast novel viruses mutate to survive.
Wet markets can be continued as long as they become single species. Although a better solution would simply be to adopt battery farming of a small selection of species like we do in the west. It's obviously no less cruel or disgusting, but at least it meets food demand without threatening mankind with extinction to the same extent.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
feck, it is really terrifying. Essentially, to keep the number of deaths in 'just' a few thousand, there needs to be a suppression. Suppression is actually not too bad, arguably what US/Germany are doing right now, and far more relaxed than Italy/Spain's lockdowns.
Probably a bit but not too much. You need to be totally sure that the vaccine is safe, it does not make things worse, and it actually works. Imagine vaccinating the population and ending the suppression stage, to only find out that the vaccine does not work.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Maybe I'm just being very stupid(It is 3am over here)but couldn't this process but faster if the US government or the CPP decided to chuck a ton of cash at the project ? Basically a wartime economy but for fighting the virus.
It would take some serious shortcuts to get a vaccine in such a short time and you then have to manufacture, distribute and administer it on a scale of billions of people.All the researchers are saying that 12-18 months is actually a miracle. It typically takes 10-20 years.
I have no idea who made the video and that context they were saying we’re fecked. My takeaways from this was that there’s almost no social distancing happening here and it is very likely to create a ruckus soon possibly due to lack of supplies.fecked yeah but in what way? What is he saying? I honestly don't get whats weird about the video. It's just a very long line, for natural reasons.
Yeah that’s right, then comes producing and stockpiling in huge quantities which will also take time.Probably a bit but not too much. You need to be totally sure that the vaccine is safe, it does not make things worse, and it actually works. Imagine vaccinating the population and ending the suppression stage, to only find out that the vaccine does not work.
Apparently, the only way to know this for sure is testing, testing, and testing. Start with a few people (while animal testing is going in parallel), then do a few dozens of people, then do for thousands of people (while vaccinating as many people with placebo vaccines to see the difference). Then wait. And then wait more. And then start mass-producing it, giving it first to people who are in high-risk categories (or in case of US, those that have top insurances).
All the researchers are saying that 12-18 months is actually a miracle. It typically takes 10-20 years.
They are already taking (see my previous post). For example, no animal testing before human trials starts (they started yesterday). The genetically enhanced mice are still not grown to start the testing (which apparently will be done, but in parallel with the first group of humans).It would take some serious shortcuts to get a vaccine in such a short time and you then have to manufacture, distribute and administer it on a scale of billions of people.
That is probably the only stage which can really be speed up if enough money is invested. It helps that the vaccine is synthetic, so you do not need to wait for years to produce a lot of it.Yeah that’s right, then comes producing and stockpiling in huge quantities which will also take time.
Apparenlty Trump nearly announced to hiw 74m followers that Tom Hanks had died because he didn't know what "discharged" meant.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/co...anks-had-died-from-coronavirus-ng-b881492494z
18 months is nothing in terms of testing and getting a vaccine approved, manufactured and distributed. No matter how much money you throw at it you can't shorten testing indefinitely. And that assumes the vaccine works and doesn't have side effects. And that we can even develop a working one. Like we didn't/couldn't for SARS and MERS - the other nasty recent corona-viruses (or the corona-viruses that constitute 1/3 of colds - that we also haven't been able to make a vaccine for).Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Maybe I'm just being very stupid(It is 3am over here)but couldn't this process but faster if the US government or the CPP decided to chuck a ton of cash at the project ? Basically a wartime economy but for fighting the virus.
There were candidate vaccines for SARS and MERS, which is why this vaccine was developed so fast (covid-19 is extremely similar to SARS). Those vaccines were not developed cause there was no money to do all the required testing in order to license them. And then there was no market even if you get the license, so any private company would have lost tens of millions by developing those vaccines.18 months is nothing in terms of testing and getting a vaccine approved, manufactured and distributed. No matter how much money you throw at it you can't shorten testing indefinitely. And that assumes the vaccine works and doesn't have side effects. And that we can even develop a working one. Like we didn't/couldn't for SARS and MERS - the other nasty recent corona-viruses (or the corona-viruses that constitute 1/3 of colds - that we also haven't been able to make a vaccine for).
Then there is the fast mutations that vaccines create when used on viruses.
It could all go to plan and work well but nothing in this pan is certain and drug trials usually take longer than planned.
We need to act as if this isn't going to happen and be pleasantly surprised if it does.
@Steerpike if you haven’t procreated yet please don’t
I’m flying back to Florida in several hours so I look forward to this.Let’s go Southern summer!!!!
Never thought I’d be happy to see 85+ and humid
Too bad about Brexit ehIreland and the whole of the UK as well.
Time to find a Spanish club to support.
linking this not so much for the piece itself but the stats it quotesI'm 30. I meant 'we're going to face' as in, as a society. As a world.
ah feck. i need to get my shopping by tomorrow since i'm expecting a more drastic lockdown starting on friday (my university is fully closed starting thursday night, even for researchers).Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date