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Like Carrick was.We need a much better player on the ball and passer than him in that position.
Like Carrick was.We need a much better player on the ball and passer than him in that position.
Man Carrick would be huge for our team if we had him.Like Carrick was.
Can this myth that running around is doing diligent defensive work fecking die? Alan Smith didnt make it as a DM despite running around.Can this myth that he’s doing work for two fecking die? Pogba worked very hard today - he was a little sloppy at times but certainly not due to laziness. I’d love to see how much ground Pogba covered versus Mctominay. I highly doubt there’d be much in it.
Yea, assuming pogba will be sold at some stage, probably next year, we need at least two MFs. Then maybe a 10 if Gomes does not make the cut.Man Carrick would be huge for our team if we had him.
I just don't get how our midfield continues to be neglected.
The speed and intensity is very different in pre-season. As Mourinho famously said once, ‘even my pass is amazing when there is no pressure’.After a promising preseason, he failed to play well those 1st two games and looked the same as his 1st year in the team.
You don't offer players 100 games at Manchester United to assess whether you are good enough at this level or not.This was McTominays 46th Premier League match, he's still learning the game, was playing on the left side, which he is not used to, and will make mistakes. When he's played a hundred or so matches, then you can probably see if he will be good enough.
There always are. There probably was for Fletcher and O'Shea as well.Honest player and is Ok, but you know there's an upgrade out there....
Exactly this and there's nothing wrong with that. It's criminal we didn't buy another midfielder in the summer.Had to listen to fans all summer talk about this guy like his ready to lead our midfield. Captain Mctominay people were saying. Good prospect for the future & current rotational player. No where near ready to be our starting Midfielder so soon.
Not so sure for Fletcher before he became sick. His style and quality that was improving and maturing was a very great fit for United at that time, in addition to his attitude. So not sure I agree with your stance on Fletch.There always are. There probably was for Fletcher and O'Shea as well.
It's the team that counts not the individuals. McTominay has had to step up to senior football during a time where our midfield has been at its weakest (probably) ever. Despite this fact he has managed to do well, let's evaluate whether he is good enough or not when we sign a couple of mids.
It’s especially stupid given what Pogba contributes in attack. You don’t see people mentioning him doing the work for 2 going forward, it’s like people don’t seem to understand that midfielders are supposed to support both attack and defence.Can this myth that he’s doing work for two fecking die? Pogba worked very hard today - he was a little sloppy at times but certainly not due to laziness. I’d love to see how much ground Pogba covered versus Mctominay. I highly doubt there’d be much in it.
Carrick was hugely deferential to Scholes for his first 3 years here, Carrick wasn't 12/13 vintage that we all remember for a long time after coming to us.Like Carrick was.
No he doesn’t. He needs to earn that time. Otherwise any decent academy player we shipped out should say ‘give me 100 games in the first team first at least!’. The more he plays like tonight, the less games he should be afforded, is typically how it works for a young player who the jury is still out on.Carrick was hugely deferential to Scholes for his first 3 years here, Carrick wasn't 12/13 vintage that we all remember for a long time after coming to us.
I am not saying McTominay will be that but he has to be afforded that same amount of time to grow.
I think Mourinho also drooled over his heightMourinho liked him because he was the master of the sidewards pass.
50 out of McTominay's 72 passes were forward.Mourinho liked him because he was the master of the sidewards pass.
There are no comparisons to Carrick. Reason why Carrick was criticised when he got here was because he wasn’t Keane or Scholes. But he was a very good passer in his own right for Spurs and West Ham.
If he keeps passing sidewards he’d be shown the door like Cleverley was.
Short pass to Shaw when he’s behind him counts as a forward pass hence why your stats are useless. How many key passes did he play?50 out of McTominay's 72 passes were forward.
52 out of Pogba's 95 passes were forward.
If anything, McTominay was the midfielders driving us forward.
Because Pogba is the only other player in a similar role (though more attacking). He's the only direct comparison that makes sense. In the same vein, Shaw would be compared to AWB, Maguire would be compared to Lindelof, etc.Short pass to Shaw when he’s behind him counts as a forward pass hence why your stats are useless. How many key passes did he play?
Also why bring Pogba into this? We in the McTominay thread discussing his performances.
You're reading the game wrong if you believe McTominay makes more sidewards passes than normal (as the comparison to his midfield partner shows), or if you believe that's the main feature of his game (as his personal stats show).Mourinho liked him because he was the master of the sidewards pass.
There are no comparisons to Carrick. Reason why Carrick was criticised when he got here was because he wasn’t Keane or Scholes. But he was a very good passer in his own right for Spurs and West Ham.
If he keeps passing sidewards he’d be shown the door like Cleverley was.
You just posting more pointless stats. When I’m talking forward passes I’m talking more passes with risk or passes that are actually going to penetrate the opposition defence. He didn’t do any of that today. Passing to Shaw when McTominay is behind him counts as a forward pass by the way. Hence why your stats are pointless.Because Pogba is the only other player in a similar role (though more attacking). He's the only direct comparison that makes sense. In the same vein, Shaw would be compared to AWB, Maguire would be compared to Lindelof, etc.
McTominay played too deep to be making key passes.
In any case, your point wasn't about key passes. It was about forward passes.
You're reading the game wrong if you believe McTominay makes more sidewards passes than normal (as the comparison to his midfield partner shows).
He wasn't terrible. But he had a poor game. It's just that it highlights something he's not at fault for, which is our negligence in having a midfield that hasn't got even the remotest ambition. We are gambling on staying clear of injuries, Pogba being up for it consistently and McTominay improving rapidly.Watching the game now, you guys are being a little harsh.
I completely disagree.Unusual period today where his head was completely lost in the game. Lost his pass and lost his sense of awareness. Brushed it off and carried pogba well again today
Both games Pogba's had to carry the midfield as McTominay, Pereira and Lingard offer nothing in possession.I disagree here. McTominay was very poor.
Pogba, whilst carrying us in possession, didn't make any tackles compared to Scott's 2, but made the same amount of interceptions as Scott (1), and 1 more clearance (2).
So, Pogba did his part defensively whilst carrying the team in possession, whilst Scott was marginally better defensively whilst offering nothing when we had the ball.
I've actually defended Matic for the most part.So now everyone is on this kid's arse. I guess you can't blame Matic anymore so now McTominay all of a sudden is trash.
I'll tell you what's trash - Our possession game and overall midfield chemistry when we are losing or when game is at draw. We don't have patience and creativity in our possession game and that's why McTominay and Matic look like sh1t out there most of the time.
Forward passes aren't a good stat without context. When people say a player has more ability on the ball it means they're able to bypass defensive lines through passing. This allows attackers to be in a more dangerous position to do their work. Scholes and Pogba can change fields with their long passes to the winger. It also means that the player can receive the ball under pressure and dissuade the opposition from pressing. McTominay obviously doesn't do this. Pogba and Frenkie De Jong can dribble with the ball which can also beat a press or advance the play.In any case, your point wasn't about key passes. It was about forward passes.
You're reading the game wrong if you believe McTominay makes more sidewards passes than normal (as the comparison to his midfield partner shows), or if you believe that's the main feature of his game (as his personal stats show).
I would still rather have McTominay than Matic even if Matic is better on the ball. And I'm not all that upset at McTominay. I know what he is and I'm not expecting anything more. That doesn't mean that when a discussion comes up on what we're missing from the midfield, I'm not going to bring up his limitations. We don't have that many options in midfield and he should start for the time being.So now everyone is on this kid's arse. I guess you can't blame Matic anymore so now McTominay all of a sudden is trash.
I'll tell you what's trash - Our possession game and overall midfield chemistry when we are losing or when game is at draw. We don't have patience and creativity in our possession game and that's why McTominay and Matic look like sh1t out there most of the time.