I don't think any team with mctominay level bench players in various positions is challenging for anything. Look at all the best teams and they can bring on proper game changers. Someone who gives you something different but also is knocking on the door of the first xiI don't mean clones, I mean of the same level. Someone who is useful to the team in a variety of situations.
Well I probably have lesser expectation than his ‘McSauce’,’McTominator’ personal fan club - but I don’t think he did much wrong. Got around the pitch and put challenges in. This, to me, is the player he has always been. I’ve never thought he was as good as most others seemed to think, but of you’re not that good, then at least be disciplined and don’t let yourself or others down. Which I think is anstandard he met tonight.This essentially means that you don’t expect anything from him.
But that standard isn’t acceptable, is it? I think we’re on the same page here.Well I probably have lesser expectation than his ‘McSauce’,’McTominator’ personal fan club - but I don’t think he did much wrong. Got around the pitch and put challenges in. This, to me, is the player he has always been. I’ve never thought he was as good as most others seemed to think, but of you’re not that good, then at least be disciplined and don’t let yourself or others down. Which I think is anstandard he met tonight.
I think for what he is as a player, he's a great squad player. If we had two wingers who offer as wingers what he does as a midfielder (provision: he's getting used to the new setup), I'd consider that good strength in depth. For example.I don't think any team with mctominay level bench players in various positions is challenging for anything. Look at all the best teams and they can bring on proper game changers. Someone who gives you something different but also is knocking on the door of the first xi
He was fine. As Scott McTominay, he was fine.He was fine, not sure why some people are targetting him. Bruno and Pogba for all there class had reasonably off games. Afew nice flashes of skill and some good tracking but didnt really impose himself on the middle of the park at times.
Would you prefer there be no bar at all? We only introduce a standard when a player turns 25 or whatever you feel is appropriate?This place really has no patience for young players
It seems you need to be excellent at 18 and world class by 22 or you're done by the caf standards.
Just a bit of patience with form is all I ask. I mean, yes he's off form since he's been dropped but some of the comments here sound like he's never been a good player for us. That's inherently false.Would you prefer there be no bar at all? We only introduce a standard when a player turns 25 or whatever you feel is appropriate?
It depends on the job description. I wouldn’t cry if Scott left, but I can see that he can be useful in a squad. He’s had bug games for us, and if we want to be back at the top of world football, we will have more games and need more performances like those.But that standard isn’t acceptable, is it? I think we’re on the same page here.
This is on the right track.What I've been saying as well even during the green patch with Fred. He's very limited with his technical ability and therefore relies more on athleticism. That screams for a counter attacking style. Shouldn't be anything more than a backup going forward. I'd prefer a new CDM was bought and have Fred rotate for Bruno and Pogba
Yep I agree. A few good passes between the line too. Like you said, he wasn’t the physical dominating CM we saw earlier in the season and that’s because he was starting week in week out. This is his first start since the Spurs game in the league so of course he won’t be in top form.He was fine, not sure why some people are targeting him. Bruno and Pogba for all their class had reasonably off games. Afew nice flashes of skill and some good tracking but didnt really impose himself on the middle of the park at times.
The problem I have with McTominay is that I don't really know what he excels at. It isn't his passing or vision, but I don't think he's good at destroying either. Needs to be doing better if he's going to make it at United as the bar is being raised again.Not good enough on the ball. Massive downgrade on Matic.
Yes, he's just as mediocre without the ball. He doesn't offer enough protection, discipline, or control, and neither does he win the ball an awful lot. He's solid at best.I'm probably one of the few who thinks he's more average without the ball.
He was poor even when we had the ball, especially when we were playing the ball out from the back under pressure from the Palace forwards. He was largely absent and Pogba was the deepest midfielder for most of the time till Matic was subbed in. McTominay spent the day as a filler, basically drifting around in midfield and offering himself for a sideways pass from time to time. Either his role wasn't explained to him or he doesn't have the intelligence to get it and execute the role.Think Mctominay excels in a side without the ball where his energy can force opposing midfielders to play horizontally, but once we have the ball, his inability to pass through a press or create is none existent. I think we need to look at other options should we continue to play expansive football, the "footballing" deficiencies are too great for him to develop into a 6 that we need.
Shame as he is a red through and through and we have had some great games with Scott, but his game time should be limited moving forward if we want to be a top 5 European side
There's no way Matic could have played the full match tonight, or even 60 minutes. Scott did exactly what was needed tonight; get us through enough of the match where we could bring Nemanja on to settle things down. Job done.Can people stop saying he will learn the Matic's role? Mctominay is not a DM or to put it this way, he is not a DM like Matic and does not offer what Matic offers in that role and he doesn't have the ability to. Ole should stop trying to use him like he is Matic because he doesn't have the ability to do what Matic does
This. He's a box to box. You could see in the second half before he got pulled when he and Pogba swapped that he was far better suited to playing in the channels and pressing the midfield, rather than sitting deep and trying to dictate play. If anything, he needs to be Pogba's replacement and we need to get Fred in to be rotation for Matic.Not a holding midfielder, at least not for now. Still a decent player and prefer him to Fred.
It's not because he's worsen mate. It's because we changed tactic and he can't play as a holding.Hasn’t got going since the restart neither has Fred, bit weird considering how well they were playing before lockdown. Hopefully just down to lack of game time.
This. McTominay and Fred are both decent players in their own right but a Matic replacement who always balance to Pogba and Fernandes they are not. I would be happy to sell Fred this summer and get a player similar to Matic in.This is on the right track.
The Fred vs McTominay as holding player posts are redundant to me. Both are box to box players, whose best attributes are harassing players in position when we're camped in two banks of four ready to spring the trap. When we're set up like that it doesn't matter that they go chasing after players because our lines are so close together it doesn't leave any space. However, when we are trying to play more expansively and players are moving ahead of the ball to create more options their jackrabbit like tendencies just leave big gaps in midfield. This is something we've seen from both Fred and McTominay and its one of the reasons why pre-Bruno we were losing to teams like Palace.
McTominay could be a decent back up for Bruno in that he is physical, gets into the box and strikes the ball well and Fred could be a decent rotation option for Pogba. However, neither is a good option to fill the defensive midfield role in a set up like the one we're currently using. They don't have the positional sense and discipline to do the job.