Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by devilish, Apr 9, 2017.
Maybe you quoted wrong post?
Not really. Was just expanding the effect of "why don't we sign x?" to "we just simply need to sign abc to be a top 4 team". The mindset is quite similar.
How are Arsenal looking like mugs when we rated him highly, played him every chance we got, and didn't want him to leave. He didn't want to extend his contract when Bayern came knocking. It's no different from Sanchez, Ramsey but at the start of their careers. It can't be compared with Salah, De Bruyne because Chelsea willingly let them go while we had our hands forced.
Because you had a player who now plays for Bayern and is better than the 72m winger you bought this past summer
What a player Gnabry is. I knew he was very talented, but his performance against Spurs blew my mind.
Go ahead, don't let logic come in the way of a giggle.
Its just another player Arsenal failed to identify and make the most of. They've let go of some quality players over the years, seasoned and hidden gems and failed to properly devote the time and match experience to them. Another which strikes the mind as a young prospect they should not have let go was Carlos Vela. He managed to make an excellent career for himself in La Liga, and given Wenger was known for improving players, if he'd just had the same level of love and care that the dead-end Theo Walcott was given, I have no doubt he'd have been a premier league great for Arsenal.
Maybe the TM db is wrong, but according to them he played a total of less than 900 minutes over the years and had his last first team appearance at the beginning of 2014, more than two years before he left.
14-15 he was injured. 15-16 he was loaned to West Brom but they didn't play him, so he was recalled in January. Wenger believed that we were in the title race so he wasn't really played, but he definitely didn't want to sell him. His talent was evident to all but Tony fecking Pulis. Here's a video of him bossing Tottenham at 19
Because of the injury you did not give him chances in the first team anymore. You had new toys from the youth department. Gnabry in 2016 did not see the chance of much playing time - and he knew that he still needed time for his development as he had lost 2 years. The Arsenal bench or the U-team would not have been that stepstone. In the Olympic games he showed how good he could get - especially he showed a big mentality scoring decisive goals. Bayern did not even go big risks as Gnabry in Bremen got the right team to develop. And a year later decided himself that he still needed to make another step by wanting a loan to Hoffenheim.
People in this thread laughing as though they always knew he'd turn out to be class.
It's not even that Gnaby is an established world class players, he just had a potentially once in a lifetime game.
Some players need to move to reach higher levels and fulfill their talents. Gnabry was highly regarded here but after his injury his confidence was shot and he didn't have much time to run on his contract IIRC. So a decision was made to sell him as he wanted a new challenge and wanted to leave. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but he was given a fair chance here but things just weren't meant to be.
Vela was never gonna make it in this league, the league was too physical and quick for him. I think the game in Spain much suited his talents and he did well out there.
Plenty of talented players don't make it as well, some players need to move to kick on with their career. Working with new coaches and new countries can break some players but make some of them.
To be fair I do remember Arsenal fans complaining when he was sold so it's hardly an impetus to indicate he slipped through the club's hands. More like a lack of vision / implementation from Wenger. We in essence had a similar situation when Pogba left for Juve. City have let Sancho go and potentially with lack of game time Foden could follow suit.
Nothing to do with the fact that he's been really good for a while now then.
It doesn't. This thread and the Januzaj vs Gnabry thread got bumped after the Spurs game. Last post was in June 2017, nobody here cared about him being really good for a while.
so, not really everyone except Jose, then?
It was shady as f*ck, Bayern definitely paid Werder Bremen for "their" transfer. Why on earth would Bremen insert a clause that give a player the power to leave after one season if he wants to ? Bayern held all the cards and got their man.
The transfer even was reported like this from the start from several sources, going to Bayern with a one season stop at Bremen.
As for the bolded, I'd say it's actually very simple for smaller clubs when after high profile talents: accept the clause and get the one season, or get none at all. In Gnabry's case you can assume that money flowing from Bayern to Bremen was involved too.
Did Arshavin score four against Liverpool in the CL or was it a Premier League game?
Serge Gnabry scores again
No idea ^^
Gnabry puts us in front vs Argentina
Rojo at his actual best there. Gnabry is very good.
Great overcommitment from Rojo. Gnabry's 10th goal in 11 games for Germany.
This guy just gets the job done. Bayern are lucky to have him.
No, it wasn't shady. It was open knowledge that Bayern was his eventual destination. Whats more interesting to me is Wenger's comments about how hard he tried to retain him. Like I said earlier in the thread Gnabry's talent was evident, and we did all we could to keep him. But if Bayern get involved for a german talent, there's only going to be one winner. Its unfair to compare him to Salah, or De Bruyne's cases where Chelsea simply weren't aware that the players they were letting go were as good as they turned out to be.
One goal, one assist. Even if he doesn't do anything anymore for the rest of the game, he already did his part.
It's similar to the way agents parked players in Monaco. Meddling with a third club, who knows from the start they are not keeping the player, to avoid paying the asking price is shady to me. The fact that it's open knowledge doesn't make it right.
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